I just read the part at the beginning about the "sell everything". Don't you get it? Jesus speaks in parables. He means not to live a material life. You should love the gift of life, not "things".
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I have faith in Him. I have accepted Jesus as my savior. So yes I'm sure.
Quote: I answered your statement about twisting a definition already-you guys are the ones doing the twisting by demanding the new definition.
I just looked up "marry" in the dictionary. It reads, "to join as husband and wife". So eat that for lunch my liberal friend. That's the definition. Its you guys that are doing the twisting, not us. __________________
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Quote: Jesus speaks in parables.
It's either the word of God or it isn't. If only some of it is figures of speech and some of it is to be taken exactly literally, I'm not sure I trust any individual's judgement to decide one from the other.
Quote: So yes I'm sure.
Do you love everyone or hate everyone? You have to do both.
Quote: So eat that for lunch my liberal friend.
For someone so anti-gay, it doesn't help your case to speak like one of them. I bet you typed that with a head swivel didn't you girlfriend? (just jokin-don't take it serious)
Quote: S: (n) marriage, matrimony, union, spousal relationship, wedlock (the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce)) "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
S: (n) marriage, married couple, man and wife (two people who are married to each other) "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"
S: (n) marriage, wedding, marriage ceremony (the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony) "their marriage was conducted in the chapel"
S: (n) marriage (a close and intimate union) "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
Quote: Its you guys that are doing the twisting, not us.
Still wrong. The recent law was about attempting to make the definition by law be between a man and woman-that's what got introduced. If it was the other way around where 'between a man and woman' was attempted to be removed from the legal definition you would be correct. __________________
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If the words of the Governator aren't enough.
The US Constitution: 14th Amendment, section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Article six, section two. All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby,any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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Exactly what in all of your arguments proves that by any stretch of the imagination our forefathers were concerned with creating marriage one day for gays? __________________
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Where do you see or know of anything pointing at the Founders being concerned with involving themselves in personal relationships or enforcing their 'morality' on other people?
Your question right back at you: Where, by any stretch of the imagination, were our forefathers concerned with limiting or eliminating any liberties for any group(besides the governing body)? __________________
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Nobody is eliminating any freedoms. The law just prevents men from marrying men. You think that's a freedom? Why do gay people need to marry anyway? Marriage is a traditional institution based on biblical principles to facilitate a family unit. If they don't believe the Bible, and I assume they don't, why would they want so badly to brand a religious name to their unions? __________________
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Quote: It's either the word of God or it isn't. If only some of it is figures of speech and some of it is to be taken exactly literally, I'm not sure I trust any individual's judgement to decide one from the other.
Then that's your choice. You don't speak for us all.
Quote: married couple, man and wife (two people who are married to each other)
What so "man and wife" has to be clarified as just two people? So I assume what they have written in parenthesis means that "man and wife" doesn't necessarily mean marriage is limited to man and woman. And so are you just dissing my definition, the one I got straight from Webster?
Quote: The recent law was about attempting to make the definition by law be between a man and woman-that's what got introduced.
Its already a bond between a man and a woman only, they just wanted to make it official so that the homos would no longer have an argument. That's not "twisting". __________________
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Quote: Nobody is eliminating any freedoms. The law just prevents men from marrying men.
The law preventing a minority from doing an activity that the majority get to do is eliminating a freedom for the minority. You contradict yourself and somehow it still makes sense to you? You're joking at this point right?
Quote: Marriage is a traditional institution based on biblical principles
So when Jewish people marry, is it still based on the Bible? How about two Muslims? How about two atheists, or two buddhists? It IS NOT A STRICTLY CHRISTIAN INSTITUTION now, nor was it before Jesus was even born. You do realize marriage was around before Jesus right? This is another fine myth you guys are clinging to, in the vain hopes of explaining away the prejudice you've had pounded into you.
Quote: Its already a bond between a man and a woman only
Read over what prop 8 introduced, and smack yourself in the head lightly, just once, with a rolled up newspaper, because I can't reach you. If that were already the definition to begin with, there was no need for prop 8.
Quote: And so are you just dissing my definition, the one I got straight from Webster?
Are you ignoring the one from wordnet that I actually quoted and provided a link for? Yes, I think you are. __________________
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A couple of clips I found to be relevant.
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Quote: The law preventing a minority from doing an activity that the majority get to do is eliminating a freedom for the minority.
They can do whatever they want the government just want stick their seal of approval on it. I'd say if they wanted some liberal religions figure that never studied the bible to hold a ceremony they still could.
Why does the government have to officially sanction this for them to feel free?
As far as it being a Christian practice, I believe God first ordained marriage way back in the garden of Eden way before there were any Christian denominations much less any buddists or anything else. Point is it came from God and has been sanctioned by God as between a man and a woman since the very beginning of time.
Are we going to have change laws around every time some new group jumps up and down and protests about something? Do all those protesters in California have...I don't know...jobs? They really do have way too much time on their hands.
You know the same kind of amendment against gay marriage was passed in a couple of other states during the election and it was completely quite. No protests or nothing. That is unless CNN only reports the ones in California. That place is just super liberal, and yet it still passed there. I think at least the liberal movement could admit that even in a day where a super liberal becomes President, gay marriage is just too liberal for most Americans. __________________
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Quote: Are you ignoring the one from wordnet that I actually quoted and provided a link for? Yes, I think you are.
And you still didn't answer the question. And I'm sorry but "man and wife" that was in your definition can only mean man and wife. A man and a woman. It can't just be "two people married to each other." And I can't get a link for my definition, just check it out in Webster's New World Dictionary. __________________
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Quote: They can do whatever they want the government just want stick their seal of approval on it.
The government shouldn't be sticking their seal of disapproval on it, which is what happened. It's not a matter of giving them a thumbs up. You've got it ass backwards. This is not and never was about encouraging or applauding an 'alternative lifestyle'. It's about not taking away the rights from a minority group that the majority is free to retain. It's about discrimination.
Quote: God first ordained marriage way back in the garden of Eden
What book is that actually in? I don't see it in Genesis. Can you quote book and chapter please?
Quote: And I'm sorry but "man and wife" that was in your definition
Quote: S: (n) marriage, matrimony, union, spousal relationship, wedlock (the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce)) "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
S: (n) marriage, married couple, man and wife (two people who are married to each other) "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"
S: (n) marriage, wedding, marriage ceremony (the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony) "their marriage was conducted in the chapel"
S: (n) marriage (a close and intimate union) "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
Man and wife there is one example of several, not a single absolute that all the others respond or answer to. __________________
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Quote: It's about not taking away the rights from a minority group that the majority is free to retain. It's about discrimination.
No it's not because there was never a real right of marriage for men to men etc. This amendment was necessary to clarify that.
GE 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. (It was a woman)
GE 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
GE 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (This is the first marriage)
From the words of Jesus
Matthew 19
Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
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Quote: No it's not because there was never a real right of marriage for men to men etc.
Either everyone has the right or nobody has the right.
Quote: and they shall be one flesh. (This is the first marriage)
You got me there-I didn't have my Jesus glases on. So the Jews invented marriage in this piece of folklore. Thanks for pointing that out. __________________
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Quote: S: (n) marriage, matrimony, union, spousal relationship, wedlock (the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce)) "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union"
S: (n) marriage, married couple, man and wife (two people who are married to each other) "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love"
S: (n) marriage, wedding, marriage ceremony (the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony) "their marriage was conducted in the chapel"
S: (n) marriage (a close and intimate union) "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
I knew that wasn't right. And this should help establish your source as bias:
The guy who runs WordNet, is George A. Miller. Miller was president of the American Psychological Association.
From Wikipedia about the APA:
Quote: Ex-gays and gays who want to change their orientation have protested the policies of the APA, stating that their views on issues such as the immutability of homosexuality have caused real harm to real people and patients.[11] A. Dean Byrd commented "There exists a climate of prejudice in APA against clients -- often people of traditional values -- who wish to decrease their homosexual attractions and develop their heterosexual potential."[12]
Robert Perloff, former president of the American Psychological Association, charged that it is "too politically correct, too bureaucratic, too obeisant to special interests." He stated that APA’s view of conversion therapy is "all wrong. First, the data are not fully in yet. Second, if the client wants a change, listen to the client. Third, you're barring research." [13]
And don't forget Webster:
Quote: Marry- to join as husband and wife
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Either everyone has the right or nobody has the right.
And here we go, as I can usually predict you fall back to the way out stance that we should just abolish marriage to anybody if the radicals can't have their way. That's the thing liberalism it's a destroy stuff for other people mentality. If I can't get my way then nobody will.
Quote: So the Jews invented marriage in this piece of folklore.
You should read it more. You might eventually come to look at it from a different light. __________________
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Quote: That's the thing liberalism it's a destroy stuff for other people mentality.
You guys are the ones applauding a destruction here. You're criticisizing some other group for what you yourself, as a group, are doing, which that other group is not. Marriage was not your sole property EVER, and denying that minority from being allowed to enjoy the same freedom and equal protection under the law is discrimination.
Quote: You should read it more.
Every time I read parts of it, I can combat it better, refute it better and it strengthens my nonbelief. Reading it more is not a solution for me-then again I have no problem in this area to begin with. __________________
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Marriage has been about the joining of the opposite sex since the beginning of time. There has never been a society I know of that had same sex marriages.
I think part of your problem is you primarily listen to atheists and liberals. You should try to even yourself out a bit and listen to people that actually believe the Bible. Then perhaps you can say you looked at the Bible from a more honest and open perspective. Check out http://oneplace.com/ it got a lot of different preachers and teachers. I recommend Dr. Adrian Rogers, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll, and for somebody that really likes to question everything from an intellectual perspective try Dr. R.C. Sproul.
You spend an awful lot of time arguing with me and Rogers to not at least get a perspective of where we are coming from. If you are right, then you listen and you have even more ammunition against us. You might at least have a better understanding of the Christian perspective. You don't have anything to lose. __________________
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Hey Tim and SteveRogers (you're not fit to use that name by the way) have you guys ever had a gay experience? Maybe at a sleepover when you were 10 or 11?
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Quote: I think part of your problem is you primarily listen to atheists and liberals.
Again, I have no problem here. I recognize discrimination for what it is and don't need guidance on the subject.
Quote: listen to people that actually believe the Bible.
For what exactly?
Quote: perhaps you can say you looked at the Bible from a more honest and open perspective.
What is more honest than reading it for yourself and basing your judgment on the content itself?
Quote: You spend an awful lot of time arguing with me and Rogers to not at least get a perspective of where we are coming from.
I have a pretty clear idea of where you guys are coming from, which is why I argue with you guys in the first place when others would just give up and walk away. __________________
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Pak, Check out oneplace.com every once in a while. You can come back and argue about what you heard.
Spockman, I'm sorry, but it sounds like you need a counselor of some sort. Sounds like you are saying you've had something unfortunate happen to you as a child if I'm reading your statement correctly. __________________
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Quote: Pak, Check out oneplace.com every once in a while. You can come back and argue about what you heard.
One condition. You read an online book called God vs the Bible, and I'll thoroughly tear through oneplace when I have the time.
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I'd like to add a few names to the list as well. Ravi Zacharias and Hank Hannegraff. Hannegraff owns his own radio show called the Bible Answer Man, where people call in and ask questions about the Bible. You should check it out, Pak. He clears up many misconceptions. __________________
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Quote: He clears up many misconceptions.
I believe when somebody makes an excuse, or makes up a story to tell me not to trust what I see or read myself with my own eyes may be of a great service if what I see is not whole or complete. If not, they're just another liar with something for sale.
I'll strike the same bargain with you Steve. I'll find the time to check out Hannegraff when I have the time if you read God vs the Bible as well. __________________
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Quote: I believe when somebody makes an excuse, or makes up a story to tell me not to trust what I see or read myself with my own eyes may be of a great service if what I see is not whole or complete. If not, they're just another liar with something for sale.
No, he doesn't just make up stories or excuses. He answers questions with evidence from the Bible. Questions that many people don't know the answers to--not because they're not in the Bible, but sometimes they're difficult to find. Questions like, "What happens to a person who has never heard of Jesus?", "How old will we be in heaven?", and "is it ever morally permissable to lie?" Also he responds to issues that many have used to argue against Christians. Questions like, "If Christianity is true, why are so many atrocities committed in the name of Christ?", "Is there evidence for life after death?", "Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?", "Who made God," and "How do we know that the Bible is divine rather than human in origin?" I could keep going but I got to stop somewhere. Pak if any of those questions interest you, tell me, and I'll be glad to post the answer. I've got his book sitting right here on my desk. __________________
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Quote: No, he doesn't just make up stories or excuses.
This is yet to be seen, but I believe you're satisfied with the answers he gives. Understand right now that your satisfaction with those answers is deeply embedded in your believing in these matters in the first place. Whatever connections he makes between these questions and 'evidence' in that holy book will probably be most unsatisfactory for me, a person who does not believe at the outset.
I'll be as fair as I can though since it seems of the utmost interest to you for me to hear some of this. I owe you this simply for the battles we have had.
How old in Heaven doesn't interest me one bit. I don't believe in Heaven and this will not convince me otherwise.
Is it morally permissable to lie would fit in nicely with our other unfinished conversation.
I already know what happens to a person who's never heard of Jesus so I'll pass on it.
Why are atrocities committed in the name of Christ begs for an excuse or a lie to me but I'd hear him out just the same.
The same could be said for 'evidence' of life after death, but I'd hear him out.
Those last three I predict will be his opinion from whole cloth. I can't say I'm interested in those. __________________
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Quote: I owe you this simply for the battles we have had.
Thank you. I ask now that you try to read this with an open mind, rather than just look for something to be wrong with it. If you see something that automatically stirs more questions, point it out to me, but it won't help at all if you are wanting to find lies.
Quote: "is it ever morally permissable to lie?"
Hank points out that the Bible never condones lying for the sake of lying, bu does condone lying in order to preserve a higher moral imperative. Example: In the book of Joshua, Rahab decieved th king's men to save the lives of two Jewish spies. It was for a higher moral law, thus it was not a sin for Rahab to do this. There are differences and exceptions in the case of lying, just like there are with murder--not all killing is murder.
Quote: "If Christianity is true, why are so many atrocities committed in the name of Christ?"
To start with, in the book of John, Jesus anticipated this question by saying that his followers would be recognized for the way they lived their lives. Hank adds that there is no reason why that argument can't be turned around. If you say that Christianity must be false because of the atrocities committed in His name, then can't you also claim that Christianity must be true because of all the good it has done. Consider the countless hospitals, schools, universities, and relief programs that have been instituted as a direct result of people who work with the name of Christ on their lips.
Matthew 7: 21-23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me you evildoers!'"
Quote: "Is there evidence for life after death?",
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Quote: There are differences and exceptions in the case of lying, just like there are with murder--not all killing is murder.
What good is a commandment with loopholes?
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Is it just OK by Hank to make exceptions or is it actually OK with God too? In other words, who determines what a valid higher moral standing is enough to allow lying to not be called immoral? What basis is this judgment made on and who is fit to make it?
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Quote: Jesus anticipated this question by saying that his followers would be recognized for the way they lived their lives.
This doesn't answer why attrocities are done in his name, and reversing it to say or even imply that because good is done in his name the attrocities are either paid for or erased is absurd. Saying that because good is done in his name makes Christianity true is faulty logic at it's finest as well. Hank dodged the question as far as I am concerned.
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Quote: This doesn't answer why attrocities are done in his name,
Think of it this way if I had committed a crime in your name would you consider it fair that everyone blame you if you had no idea who I was.
Those that know Christ don't commit atrocities in His name. You'll find in history it's Christians that have been killed for believing in Jesus more than so-called Christians running around killing others.
How many instances can you really say that any violence was committed in Christ's name anyway? Everyone always wants to claim the Crusades as an example, but do you got anymore than that?
If there is no life after death, how does a person live life without always being depressed? __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
That's the definition. Its you guys that are doing the twisting, not us.
(just jokin-don't take it serious)
