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Posted:  24 Oct 2008 19:40
Et Tu Opie Et Tu Opie supports O..O..Ob.. I can't bear to say it.

See more Ron Howard videos at Funny or Die


I still love the Andy Griffith show and Happy Days, but I am truly a sad man. Oh well Andy wants change, but I'm afraid he's not going to get the right kind of change. If he thinks Obama is FDR JFK then he's sadly mistaken.

And the Fonz.

But at least as you see on the video these guys aren't being insulting to those that disagree with them.

Nice seeing Opie again and the Fonz even if they stabbed me in the back.
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Posted:  24 Oct 2008 20:08
Well, they don't have to insult you if they've already 'stabbed you in the back'. Hurt feelings card again.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  24 Oct 2008 20:33   Last Edited By: Tim
I freely admit this hurts my feelings in certain nostalgic kind of way. I really don't think they know what kind of change Obama wants to give. All these people, good people that are getting behind Obama are just getting excited over the idea of the first black man for President. Add to that Obama's boring but confident sounding speeches, and you get voters. Nobody is asking exactly what kind of change though.

Right now according to Rush the Dems are working on taking the tax advantage away from putting money into an IRA.

See now if you put money into an IRA. You don't get taxed on it right now. So that encourages people to save their money.


No tax break means less people putting money into IRA which hurts the stock market too.
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Posted:  24 Oct 2008 21:29
Why would their endorsement hurt you in the first place? It shouldn't. Stop taking it personal.

The people that are supporting Obama strictly for the novelty of him being black are probably very evenly matched by the ones who are not voting for him strictly because he's black. They'll probably just cancel each other out(for the benefit of all-maybe we should hope they cancel each other out for real).

Other folks support Obama because he's actually addressing them and their concerns, unlike his opponent who only seems to address Obama.

Others support Obama because McCain appears too similar to Bush.

As for the exact types of change, if you're not sure of what they are, that's on you for not listening or watching.
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Rush talking about what the evil dems are trying to do should be a seperate topic. Unless there's something I'm not aware of here, it has no actual bearing on the election or the candidates.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  24 Oct 2008 23:08   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
I'm shocked. Not so much about Obie--but Andy and the Fonz!  I expected more from them.

My response to the video: Ron Howard should have left the ball cap on.

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Hurt feelings card again.


Hey you libs like to play this card all the time.
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Posted:  25 Oct 2008 12:10
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you libs


You're wearing this out rapidly.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  25 Oct 2008 16:40   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
Okay sorry. Let me correct myself: You liberals like to play this card all the time. There. That better?
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Posted:  25 Oct 2008 20:25
The term isn't the problem. It's the 'I know you are but what am I' response of 'you liberals are worse at that than we are' for alot of topics.

So no, not better.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  25 Oct 2008 20:30
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'you liberals are worse at that than we are'


Is is it my fault that its true? No. I'm using it because you try to throw it at us, so I like to point out that you're guilty of it even more.
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Posted:  25 Oct 2008 21:44
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Is is it my fault that its true?

To answer this properly we'd have to go point by point on what that would be true for or not. I think I can safely say, that no, this is not being truthful on your part-it's more of a kneejerk reaction.

Further I'll have to say that it would time better spent for all of us to either focus on actual issues like laws or policies or philosophy even, or where blame is absolutely necessary, focus on the individuals instead of making blanket generalizations about groups and titles and labels.
I do mean this for all parties involved in this forum. 'The GOP is bad' is not better than 'the liberals are bad'. It's pointless except to make yourself feel better, like a drug.

BTW, you can go ahead and quote all of the times I've made blanket generalizations about conservatives. I'd like to see the list, if you can actually construct one, since I'm to blame for 'trying to throw it at you' in the first place, at least according to your post there.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  25 Oct 2008 22:21   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
I wasn't referring to you. I suppose I should clarified. I meant liberals in general.

The liberals want gay rights for the gay folks. They want to be "equal." This is all about social acceptance. The gays want to be "accepted" by society and they and their liberal friends will attack anyone who does not feel the same way. Its the "hurt feelings card" again, Pak, as you like to call it. Being gay and living that way is one thing, but wanting everybody to like it is another.

Here's something else for you to chew on, Pak.

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Lefty word-watchdogs and their allies in the mainstream media have hurt feelings--again.  As per usual, liberals are frothing at the mouth in a fit of very selective, self-righteous indignation over provocative comments made by Ann Coulter and are hunting the conservative firebrand with pitchforks, torches, and rope in hand. 



       While addressing an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) last Friday, Coulter joked in her trademark fashion that, “I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I--so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards.” 



        And the proverbial fan was thusly and most directly hit. 



        Admittedly, Coulter employed unusually abrasive and bombastic language--even for her--to make a point, but ironically, the reaction she’s getting from the left (and from some on the right) would seem to precisely demonstrate the apparent thrust of her prickly comments.  Perhaps that was part of her intention.



       Never mind that those in the “gay community” throw the word “faggot” around as a term of endearment for one another as frequently as Hillary Clinton changes her accent and in much the same manner as black “gangsta-rappers” break out the “N-word.”  And never mind that the left constantly redefines that which is or is not a “permissible” moniker for those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle (one day “queer” is bad, and the next day “queer” is good.  In fact, the latest from the PC police is that it’s now “hateful” to call a homosexual a “homosexual”--go-figure.  They prefer that innocuous, cutsie and happy-go-fluffy little term “gay,” if you please.)



       It’s the left defining the terms, mind you.  And it’s the left that further identifies who has permission to use those terms.  Therefore, it’s only reasonable for them to apply that famous “progressive” double standard to Coulter.  After all, she is a “hateful” conservative. 



       Now, don’t misunderstand; Coulter’s comments lacked civility, to be sure, and were entirely inappropriate.  Some compare her use of the word “faggot” to use of the “N-word.” 



       However, it would seem that African-Americans, who have truly experienced grave and systematic injustice over the years while struggling to obtain certain civil rights to which they were denied, might rightfully be offended by such a spurious comparison. 



       Most African-Americans are a little more than annoyed by the fact that the militant homosexual lobby has so artfully hijacked the rhetoric of genuine civil rights.  That rhetoric has been cynically misapplied to the homosexual agenda, which includes mandated moral relativism, social androgyny, and not just full acceptance, but celebration of a pleasure-based, sexually deviant lifestyle. 



       Equating the black community’s struggle for civil rights to homosexual activists’ struggle for special rights is a disingenuous parallel.  By comparison, homosexuality is rooted in disordered, unhealthy, and changeable behaviors that have--prior to the onset of social post-modernism--been considered both immoral and repulsive.  Being black is rooted in, well, being black. 



       Rather than equating the word “faggot” to the “N-word,” perhaps a more accurate correlation lies between the word “faggot” and other behaviorally derived derogatory terms such as “slut” or “whore.”  In referencing an adulterer as a “slut” or a “whore” for that person’s lifestyle choices, one voices disagreement with certain behaviors (infidelity or promiscuity) historically frowned upon by society.



       But in either case, use of such disparaging words is coarse, unnecessary, and counterproductive.  One can express legitimate disagreement with lifestyle choices, which run counter to traditional norms and mores of society, without reverting to the use of such nasty language.   

        As for Coulter’s specific comments, she apparently intended a dual connotation.  She seemed to either suggest that Edwards is in fact a homosexual (not likely) or that he is somewhat effeminate and/or “wimpy” in terms of his positions on public policy issues--that he politically embodies certain stereotypes associated with homosexuality (probably more likely). 



       Additionally, Coulter was making a clear reference to the recent uproar which ultimately resulted in ''Grey’s Anatomy'' star Isaiah Washington giving in to PC pressure to check into “homophobia rehab” after calling his homosexual co-star, T.R. Knight, a “faggot.”     



       But to hear the left talk about it, you’d think Coulter had gone so far as to pine for the assassination of the Vice President of United States or something (and, of course, that’s exactly what liberal activist Bill Maher actually did on the same day that Coulter made her unfortunate comments.  And it should come as little surprise that we’ve heard only the deafening and ever-so-telling clamor of silence from the left on that one.  Gotta love that double standard!)           



       So, while making her inflammatory comments, Coulter perhaps--in her own less than glorious way--intended not only to question political machismo of John Edwards but to suggest that America’s self-appointed thought-police stop trying to force those who dare to violate their politically correct word-code into Orwellian, re-education “rehab” camps.  When Coulter spoke last Friday, everyone heard the word “faggot.”  But if you take her words--abrasive as they were--in their full context, she was apparently just telling the left to back off and “bag it.” 

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Posted:  26 Oct 2008 12:49
1) There's no such thing as 'gay rights', so nobody wants those.

2) They actually want equal rights, which they are being denied. This is not playing the hurt feelings card. If you'd like an explanation of how that card actually works, let me know.

3) That article says it pretty clearly and (brace yourself) I agree. Anything goes with free speech-especially the stuff one individual or another doesn't want to hear. You want to hear Ann Coulter? You pay the price for it by hearing Bill Maher. Rush Limbaugh costs you Keith Olberman, and so on. Yay America. Yay freedom of speech.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  26 Oct 2008 17:58   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
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There's no such thing as 'gay rights', so nobody wants those.


The right to be married and all the stuff that goes with it are gays rights. Right?

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They actually want equal rights, which they are being denied. This is not playing the hurt feelings card. If you'd like an explanation of how that card actually works, let me know.


What I'm trying to say is, its all about social acceptance. The homos are allowed to live together and be gay, but they want everybody to like it too. They get upset anytime anyone does aknwoledge their homosexuality as natural behavior.
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Posted:  26 Oct 2008 20:27
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The right to be married and all the stuff that goes with it are gays rights. Right?

No.

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but they want everybody to like it too.

Their problems seem to have to do mostly with money or property rights or visitation in hospitals and such. I doubt they care who approve or like it on a personal level.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 08:31
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They get upset anytime anyone doesn't acknowledge their homosexuality as natural behavior.
And you think they don't have a right to get upset about that? Do you know alot of homosexuals that you debate this with? How do you know they get mad anyway? Is that what Bill O'reilly and Rush Limbaugh tell you? What's not natural is crying over unborn people. What's not natural is staying a virgin until your married. What's not natural is hating other people because they are different than you. Oops, scratch that last one. That's one of man's worst traits. At least the ones who are uneducated and ignorant.
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 09:23
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I'm shocked.
Why? Most of the people in the entertainment industry would be creative personalities. I think creative people would tend to not be Conservative.
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 12:21
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I think creative people would tend to not be Conservative.

Strange how a tax bracket can change a personal philosophy quick. When it's all about the art of what they're doing, it's full support of the first amendment, down with the establishment and money ain't everything. When the big time hits for many of the talented or connected or just plain lucky, they find they're now a part of that establishment they once railed against and it takes a rare type of individual to not give in to it and just coast. Too many people let their battles pick them.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 15:53
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What's not natural is crying over unborn people.
Tell that to most mothers. Wait tell that to a couple that just had some unfortunate problem in their pregnancy. You should really think for a second about what you are spouting.
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Shtarker: Too bad about all the dead movie stars.
Siegfried: Yes. What will we do without their razor-sharp political advice. - played by Terence Stamp aka Zod from the movie Get Smart.
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 20:21
Pretty sure moms and pops who have miscarriages don't dwell on it too long Tim. They get back to making a new baby. Also, abortion is a choice. Miscarriages aren't. Pak, about what you said, I agree. As soon as the money starts rolling in, any  artistic integrity goes out the window. I give Dave Chappelle credit for walking away from that 100$ million dollar deal from 'Comedy Central' a couple of years ago.
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 20:32
There's actually a pretty silly bias against money from all areas of society now. He could have taken that deal and been one of the exceptional few.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 21:00
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pretty silly bias against money
Do you mean how people say you 'sold out' as soon as you start making money?
Posted:  27 Oct 2008 21:45
That's one part of it certainly. People have this kind of dimentia. They love the idea of having alot of it, but piss it away when it does come their way. They buy into by watching Jim Kramer and Flip This House on cable, then spend their limited cash reserves on their DVD collection or sneakers with lights in them. (that was painful to type since I can said to be very guilty of the DVD collection part of it myself, even though I am fairly conscientous otherwise). Compare that with what we have with lottery tickets and lawsuits and the immediate gratification culture we're immersed in these days, and it's pure madness. That's a very strong part of our present financial woes-why people would buy into an ARM which they couldn't afford on an upswing and why the stock market is taking a pounding from alot of skittish 'investors' who would be less panicky if they only did their homework first.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  28 Oct 2008 07:57
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that was painful to type...
I know. I spend a small fortune on comics and collectibles.
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immediate gratification culture
Preaching to the choir. People want what they want and they want it yesterday. Almost makes you wonder how people survived 100 years ago.
Posted:  30 Oct 2008 19:42
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And you think they don't have a right to get upset about that?


You don't have to have an advanced degree in physiology to understand that homosexuality is an unnatural behavior.

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Is that what Bill O'reilly and Rush Limbaugh tell you?


No. It is what I know. All it takes is common sense.

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What's not natural is crying over unborn people.


Those "unborn people" are human beings too, Spock. Think your mother wouldn't cry if you turned out to be a miscarriage?

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Why? Most of the people in the entertainment industry would be creative personalities. I think creative people would tend to not be Conservative.


Most people in the entertainment industry are indeed liberal, but its not because they have "creative personalities". Its usually a lack of God. I'm a creative person, I guess--I write science fiction and fantasy books--and I tend to be pretty conservative.

But to answer your question: I guess I just expected better from Andy and the Fonz, two actors from the clsssic days. I've noticed that most of the people from the entertainment business that are conservative, are usually from an older generation. Most the young folks vote Democrat.
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Posted:  06 Nov 2008 09:28
Fuck it. Guys like you are on the way out. I'm done dealing with fanatics. Unless it's to ridicule them.
Posted:  06 Nov 2008 20:15
Dude why? Are you just bored of tearing wings off of flies or something. Come up with something more intelligent or stop bothering us.
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Posted:  06 Nov 2008 20:47   Last Edited By: Steve Rogers
Spock go do your homework! Kids like you are always shouting out four-letter words because they lack the intelligence or the maturity to participate in sensible conversations.
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Posted:  06 Nov 2008 23:29
Spockman hurry before it's too late and they run out.
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Shtarker: Too bad about all the dead movie stars.
Siegfried: Yes. What will we do without their razor-sharp political advice. - played by Terence Stamp aka Zod from the movie Get Smart.
Posted:  07 Nov 2008 00:13
Funny! I'm going to use that one day.
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Posted:  07 Nov 2008 00:28
Like Tim told spock, hurry before they run out.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles