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Posted:  06 Nov 2008 22:45
Yes, but only by a reasonable definition, and there is no way in hell you are going to get one from a man that claims his goal is to put that company out of business as Obama has said.

Second you have to take into consideration the impact on the economy as much as the impact on the environment when you start making regulations on pollution. I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of regulations they have to go by already.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  06 Nov 2008 23:33
Again, not about Obama or coal plants specifically.

You do agree that companies should pay if they pollute if I read that right.

In response to what you're saying, I have to ask, what is a reasonable definition for actionable pollution then?

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you have to take into consideration the impact on the economy as much as the impact on the environment when you start making regulations on pollution.

No, the economy has absolutely no stake at all in punishing a polluter. None. Zilch. Zero. Foggeddaboudit.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  06 Nov 2008 23:48
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No, the economy has absolutely no stake at all in punishing a polluter.
Look I don't mean this the wrong way, but are you crazy? Are you going to tell me that if closing coal plants is going to double the public's electric bill then that's ok because those darn polluters got to be stopped?
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  07 Nov 2008 00:21
Punishing a polluter does not mean putting them straight out of business. It means holding them accountable for their activities-nothing less, nothing more. That's the same for a chemical company or a manufacturing plant or a medical facility or a food store or a hardware store that creates pollution. If a business refuses to be accountable for their activities when they create substantial damage or a tangible threat, yes, they deserve to be obliterated.

In case it wasn't clear implicitly or explicitly in what I said in this post:
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No, the economy has absolutely no stake at all in punishing a polluter.

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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  12 Nov 2008 19:31
Hey Tim? I'm assuming that you don't believe in euthanasia. So if your wife was in a state where she was being kept alive by machines you wouldn't pull the plug. So who would pay for her to stay that way?
Posted:  13 Nov 2008 00:51
I don't know who pays to keep you alive?
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  14 Nov 2008 04:43
Ooo...snap! I think you thought I was 'attacking' you as guys like you always think you're being attacked but I wasn't. Anyways, you said:
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it's called taking personal responsibility for my own well being and not waiting for Uncle Sam to come along and take care of me
So I guess YOU would have to pay the tens of thousands of dollars a year to keep her breathing. Good luck with doing that and keeping your house and car and your savings as well as paying your daily bills. Although from my perspective it's a bit of a catch 22. I'm for universal healthcare but if you're only being kept alive by machines you should be put out of your misery. If the doctors want to put you down but the family wants to keep you alive because of religious reasons, then THEY should pay for it.