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Posted:  06 Aug 2008 15:48
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_farm_policy

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DES MOINES, Iowa - Republican presidential candidate John McCain opposes the $300 billion farm bill and subsidies for ethanol, positions that both supporters and opponents say might cost him votes he needs in the upper Midwest this November.
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His Democratic rival, Barack Obama, is making a more traditional regional pitch: He favors the farm bill approved by Congress this year and subsidies for the Midwest-based ethanol industry. McCain instead has promised to open new markets abroad for farmers to export their commodities.

In his position papers, McCain opposes farm subsidies only for those with incomes of more than $250,000 and a net worth above $2 million. But he's gone further on the stump.

"I don't support agricultural subsidies no matter where they are," McCain said at a recent appearance in Wisconsin. "The farm bill, $300 billion, is something America simply can't afford."

McCain later described the measure, which is very popular throughout the Midwest, as "a $300 billion, bloated, pork-barrel-laden bill" because of subsidies for industries like ethanol.

It's not a stand that pleases Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa.

"I would not advise him to take that position," Grassley said. "For sure, he can't lose Missouri and that's in the upper Midwest. Could he lose Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin and still be elected president? Yes, but I wouldn't advise him to have that strategy."

Grassley, a conservative Republican, and his Senate colleague from Iowa, liberal Democrat Tom Harkin, have achieved enduring success in this state largely by mastering the politics of farm issues. Harkin chairs the Senate Agriculture Committee, which wrote the new farm legislation.

"I don't see any scenario in which McCain can get to the White House without carrying some upper Midwestern states," said Harkin, an Obama backer. "I've never really understood in all my years why Sen. McCain has gone out of his way to speak against and vote against policies that are important to the upper Midwest."

There's a history of close elections in the region. President Bush carried Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota and South Dakota in 2004, earning 35 electoral votes. But his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, prevailed in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois, giving him 41 electoral votes.

Veteran GOP strategist Gentry Collins said McCain can defend his record on farm issues, including opposing "corporate welfare" for big operations, but he said there's more at work.

"The upper Midwest is crucial in this election, and Midwestern voters value authenticity. They value experience," Collins said. "I don't think agricultural issues are the only issues Midwestern voters care about. There are some bigger-picture issues, broader issues where he's strong."

But on another important issue to Midwesterners, McCain opposed a tax break for developing wind power. Obama supported the tax break.

"We're employing close to 2,000 people right now in Iowa in the wind energy industry," Harkin said.

McCain has been most outspoken on ethanol subsidies, and that has Republicans worried in Iowa, the nation's biggest producer of the fuel. Other top ethanol producers include Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin and Missouri.

"It does challenge him in states like Iowa, the No. 1 ethanol state," said Bill Northey, Iowa's Republican agriculture secretary. "It does make it tougher to make the case."


I say good for McCain. Farmer's don't need hand outs and Ethanol just makes everything else in the market place more expensive. Opening up new markets for farmers is the best way to go and it's constitutional.

Shame on republicans that compromise their principles to get more votes. You try to please everyone and you end up losing everyone's votes.
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Posted:  06 Aug 2008 16:04
Brace yourself-I agree with McCain on the ethanol subsidies. I have to wonder why he's against wind power when he just gave a speech on energy recently and I could have sworn wind was one of the things he listed that we need.
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Posted:  06 Aug 2008 16:15
Well maybe he's just against a tax break for wind power. Doesn't mean he's against wind power. Does everything have to have a tax break to get off the ground?

I really don't know what his reasoning is here. Perhaps McCain will address why later on.

I'm just happy he doesn't want to spend tax payer dollars to bribe votes.
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Posted:  06 Aug 2008 16:57
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Well maybe he's just against a tax break for wind power

You're suggesting the only way he supports things is by giving them tax breaks?

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I'm just happy he doesn't want to spend tax payer dollars to bribe votes.

What?
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 20:08
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You're suggesting the only way he supports things is by giving them tax breaks?
No that's what I thought your were suggesting.

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That's what subsidies and pork spending is. It's a bribe to get a vote. You read the article. That one politician worrying McCain might not get votes because he doesn't want to give away money to a farm bill.

The one thing politicians have to learn is that this money they pat themselves on the back for giving out ain't theirs. It belongs to the tax payers.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 20:18
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That's what subsidies and pork spending is

I see what you're saying here but there's a difference spending tax money right or wrong and using empty promises and posturing to certain groups to get votes.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 20:27
Any time a politician spends money he's trying to bribe  votes. If politicians only spent money on necessities the government's budget would shrink by 90 percent.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 20:43
Here's the thing-he can't actually spend that promised tax money until he gets elected. Bribery doesn't seem like a pitch perfect term here as good as favoritism.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  06 Aug 2008 23:57
You say tomato I say tomatoe
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  07 Aug 2008 00:01
You spell like Dan Quayle.....
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted:  07 Aug 2008 00:15
I spelled it both ways. I never made fun of what's her name's show either. What was that stupid show anyway? I never watched it. You know the blond headed women that had the kid and hollywood got all up in arms ragging Quayle about it.
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted:  07 Aug 2008 00:19
Dunno, but I hear Danny got quite skilled with the Nintendo in the White House basement after that.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles

And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles