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I do believe a lot of the dating methods evolutionist use are based on the idea that the earth is older than it is. Remember how we talked about the time they misread the age of rocks newly formed after Mt. St. Helens?
Evolutionist still are not a group and you must mean the scientific community. If they find something and use that dating method to determine it's age, it would NOT affect the age of the earth for more or less time. If they get the age wrong on one item it does not eliminate all other findings either.
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The main point is from the Bible that dino and Fred lived here the exact same time.
Which is exactly one of the main points that science and (I would say) reality points out flaws in the bible. The Flintstones is not a documentary.
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The Bible does give a basic idea on how old the Earth is by it's genealogy
This is the same book where the main central figure just up amd disappears for almost two decades? Another fine example of the church making it up as they go along. Using geneology to determine the earth's age is sketchy at best(especially if certain things are left out like gaps in time and idiotic things are left in like certain ages for some of the book's characters like Methuselah).
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The Flintstones is not a documentary. Are you sure?
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main central figure just up amd disappears for almost two decades? Whom are you referring to?
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Are you sure?
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Whom are you referring to?
You're kidding?
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What are you saying? God disappeared for 2 decades?
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| Posted: 01 Jul 2008 16:27 |
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Jesus.....
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| Posted: 01 Jul 2008 17:22 |
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I'm not sure I follow. Jesus shows up in the Old testament like in predictions of the future, and possibly as an angel. But you could say He doesn't really appear till the New Testament, and then after than He shows up to save Paul.
The whole Bible points toward Christ though.
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Truth relies on a burden of proof, regardless of the source.
I refer you back to my little mock evolution/creation debate. We can discuss evidences all day long, they are there.
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Jesus shows up in the Old testament like in predictions of the future, and possibly as an angel
Maybe he was the dragon in the dream too....
I mean as the individual Jesus we see him as a child and the next time as a full grown adult. Just one small example of how using the bible for a reference on creating a time table doesn't create the most sturdy or reliable timeline account. That poor result is just for events contained within the book itself. It becomes a horrid disaster when trying to base a valid timeline on this mishmosh of accounts and correspond it with real events to make some meaningful proof on the age of the earth. You might as well try the same trick using the works of Tolkien.
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I refer you back to my little mock evolution/creation debate
I've honestly completely forgotten this. Please refresh my memory.
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To refresh your memory... Quote:
EVOLUTIONIST: There's no proof for the earth being young
CREATIONIST: What about this proof? And this? And this? Or this item?
EVOLUTIONIST: Those don't count. Your evidence is tainted by your religion, and besides, I've decided you're not even a real scientist.
CREATIONIST: But I went to the same schools you did! And you didn't even look at the evidence I was trying to show you.
EVOLUTIONIST: Bah.
I won't even bother with the strawman about the age of Jesus. But this Quote:
You might as well try the same trick using the works of Tolkien. you haven't looked much into the archeology of this, I take it. No one is ever going to find the Shire, but, just for example, proof has been found for the Hittites, King David, Pontius Pilate, the city of Jericho, etc, despite scoffers who claimed it would never be found. So can I quote you as saying that not only is the Bible unreliable for figuring out the age of the earth, but it's unreliable for figuring out any sort of Middle East history?
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They might find the Shire if someone were to uncover the real place it was based on but that's a discussion for another time mabye.
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So can I quote you as saying that not only is the Bible unreliable for figuring out the age of the earth, but it's unreliable for figuring out any sort of Middle East history?
The bible is an unreliable source for the age of the earth for scores of reasons ranging from how the book was actually comprised(reportedly) to years of editing afterwards(again reportedly) to measuring gaps in between testimonies to things that resemble obvious fiction like the supposed ages of several key figures. There is just too much leeway and too many random factors to even have a hope of near accuracy.
As for figuring any sort of middle east history-that is so very possible because of the wide open context of what might constitute applicable history. The one issue would be sorting fact from fiction if it turns out that not everything in the bible is gospel as it were.
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Well we could get into the whole preservation methods of the Masoretic text and all that, but that doesn't contribute much to the discussion at hand.
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I mean as the individual Jesus we see him as a child and the next time as a full grown adult. Just one small example of how using the bible for a reference on creating a time table doesn't create the most sturdy or reliable timeline account. We know he died on the cross around the age of 33. I think that is a pretty good time table. Besides nobody is saying you can get like an exact age of the earth only a really good close figure. Just by adding up all the people mentioned plus the fact God says creation happened in 6 days it's evident that according to the Bible the earth isn't millions of years old.
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adding up all the people mentioned
I must still contend this would not be even a close guess for the examples above.
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God says creation happened in 6 days
The book says...Sorry if that's semantics for you. The book says, not God says.
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it's evident that according to the Bible the earth isn't millions of years old.
Not really. This is something you might have been taught or just figured out on your own but I have yet to see anything in the bible that says 'young earth'. Feel free to quote some passages that back up your idea as I might very well be wrong here.
On that same quote I have to inject this: If the evidence in a book is not matching up with evidence that is actually here, real, present and accountable-what are the odds the book is wrong?
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Well first as I said, the Bible says the earth was created in 6 days not millions of years that evolutionists say. It goes right from there to the existence of man namely Adam. Now even evolutionists say man has only been around for thousands of years. Why because that's as far back as we can go retracing ancient cultures and societies.
Do the math.
The only reason evolutionists have come up with millions of years are they are saying that's the time it takes for that one celled amoeba to finally wind up as a man. The history of actual man is a lot less in dispute when you think about it.
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the Bible says the earth was created in 6 days not millions of years that evolutionists say
'Evolutionists' don't say anything about how long it took to creat the earth. There is the creation of the universe, the creation of life on this planet in this universe and then the development of that life.
STOP GETTING THEM CONFUSED AND LUMPED TOGETHER...please. Just because some incompetant did it all at once for your creator on a page in a book does not make them interchangable. It's the last time I'm pointing this out.
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Now even evolutionists say man has only been around for thousands of years
Incorrect again. Find the correct info from a science source instead of an anti-science source and come back when you do.
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Incorrect again. Find the correct info from a science source instead of an anti-science source and come back when you do.
Just doing a quick search it seems that everyone in the evolution column has a different idea on the age of man ranging from over a hundred thousand years to 30 thousand years. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412123425AAuV5QF
But the question is how far does evidence go back for recorded civilization. A few tools in a cave that some scientist using inaccurate dating methods could appear to be millions of years old and in fact only be 6 thousand.
The trick is to know the historical beginnings of man. What is actually recorded in some form or fashion. Do you know of any civilization dating back any older than 10 thousand years or so? I dare say there's no civilization that any scientist would say existed beyond 20 k or so. No civilization with any significant proof at any rate.
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appear to be millions of years old and in fact only be 6 thousand.
Not likely.
For help with scientific matters please consult a scientist.
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You are the closest thing we have to a evolution scientists we have around here. 
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I'mn ot a scientist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night.
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You are the closest thing we have to a evolution scientists we have around here
You need more people cause that is just a damned shame right there.
Honestly, more people.
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