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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 22:41 |
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WTF is wrong with you????? 6K? You high or something? this started it all right here
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He blasts me with all that theological nonsense and then says he's not pushing anything. He's calling me a child while acting like one and doesn't even know my age.
oh i'm sorry pat was i personally calling out your name in my very first post when i said the earth was 6 or 7 thousand yrs old????? no i don't think so , so yes i wasn't pushing anything onto you.
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 22:42 |
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I do apologize and will watch my posting from this point on. same here... forgive me
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 22:42 |
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Waitaminute, the god of Abraham revealed the beast to Job. Job didn't wander out and see it munching grass … It was a vision.
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 22:42 |
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Dinosaurs running around with men is an awesome idea:
But it is pure fiction, my friend. Well you can't really prove there weren't dinosaurs running around with men can you? The only theory I know of that says different is evolution.
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The newborns are enhanced at a biological level by their predecessors.
I remember the article said the bugs had the ability already in them, and I here I bragged on you for posting articles that went against your beliefs. I thought you were being selfless, but anyway like I've said before animals have different aspects in their dna to begin with like dogs with short hair, dogs with long etc, but no where can you convince has anyone ever seen a half dog half horse. One species cannot mutate into completely different one. It's never been proven and it never will.
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That development of the eye is not faith based and has elements of evidence to it and not just heresay Ok, I'll bite, what element of proof are you referring to?
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Is this the entire theory of creationism You don't ever seem to remark much about the facts I present especially those surrounding the flood.
The question about the tale and the dinosaur was answered by Hockeyman
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 22:56 |
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All dinosaur bones that have been found date back millions and millions of years. All of 'em. Period. Full stop.
The flood, actually, is a pet research project of mine. Since it does appear in ancient writings worldwide — in some even older than the bible — many researchers have set about trying to find what the source was, since it wasn't a global catastrophe in which sinners and the unicorns caught a bad break.
The current theory is that the Mediterranean sea levels rose over time and broke through the Bosporus that had then separated that with the Black Sea, destroying the coastal settlements.
The story was passed down and, more than likely, the Israelites picked the story up from the Mesopotamians and used it, like many other cultures did, as a cautionary tale.
I'm saying, I believe that the bible – like other works from ancient periods – have historical and spiritual value, but when taken literally, are just offbase.
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 23:19 |
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Hock, what you say started it all was something not directed at you and taken out of context. Telling me I have to study your religion is pushing something on me along with that whole rest of the laundry list I quoted from you. I do certainly hope we will get along from here on out. All I ask is you respect my beliefs the way you want yours respected. There will be debate and things we never agree on, but we should all agree to not just force others to see things our way. That's not debate or a fair exchange of ideas.
I'm still waiting to hear your age.
Tim, roaches passing something on to their offspring equates to half and half creatures how? Their shaking off early pesticides makes mythical creatures how?
I thought I also showed you how a negative cannot be proven with that tooth fairy debacle. The burden of proof isn't really on them to prove men weren't around at the same time as dinosaurs as much as someone has to prove that dinos and men did coexist. I hope that makes sense to someone. 
The elements of proof are the science itself Tim. I'm not a scientist and I willingly admit I'm taking them at their word. You want me to seek out some more vid about this? You know I love looking for stuff, just give the go ahead.
What facts about which flood have anything to do with Creation? Sincerely, just tell me what Creationism is specifically by what the bible says about it. I don't need impressions, feelings, or spin on the subject. Just show me exactly what it says about the creation of the world and mankind. I will be glad to comment on your facts surrounding the flood if you'll kindly repost them.
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I'm saying, I believe that the bible – like other works from ancient periods – have historical and spiritual value, but when taken literally, are just offbase.
Amen to that.
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 23:35 |
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I'm still waiting to hear your age. 33
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 23:38 |
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Thank you. 36 here.
Tim, I responded to that Noah's grandsons article after reading it. It's still nonsense to me.
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| Posted: 27 Aug 2007 23:48 |
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Some sources for more on what may have been the basis for the biblical flood:
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1207/features/noah.htm
and the easiset jump-in point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 00:03 |
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It's still nonsense to me.
Figures you'd say that.
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 00:17 |
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I won't speak for other atheists, but I myself have no belief in mystical things. I don't believe in the devil.
Hockeyman, I'm glad we are both going to be more adult about things but I honestly don't expect us to share the same or even a similar opinion on anything dealing with religion. Therefore, if all we have to agree or disagree on are actual things that are political, then our religious beliefs hold no bearing whatsoever here. I have nothing to sell and nothing to gain by trying to convert anyone, which is why I'm not doing just that. I made a choice not to believe what others are so sure of-that's it. I don't want to challenge your faith or even change your mind on what you believe. The arguments on here about whether or not things in the bible are true probably shouldn't have happened, being that it is supposed to be about politics, but they did. If someone tells me there is a God, I respond that there isn't the same way I would if you were to tell me you believe anything that I don't.
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 00:21 |
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Sometimes though I think you want somebody to prove to you there is a God. You just don't want to admit it.
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 00:23 |
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I don't believe in the devil. ok just wondered didn't know, sure politics is the way to go ...just like you said we will not convince one another about GOD ... fine with me...I"ll leave it at that.... DOWN WITH HILLARY!!!!
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 00:51 |
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Sometimes though I think you want somebody to prove to you there is a God. You just don't want to admit it.
When I was on the fence about it years ago, you probably could have convinced me. That ship has long sailed. Nobody except God himself is going to change my mind. I am an atheist and will be so until that meet happens, which I sincerely doubt. I am not worried about what happens to anyone's soul after they die. I don't need reasons for everything. I'm generally a happy well adjusted guy.
Let's move on now.
I'm not too fond of Hillary except that it would get Bill back near the office again, which in my opinion isn't a bad thing. Just keep him away from the doughnuts and interns.
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| Posted: 28 Aug 2007 01:11 |
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Just keep him away from the doughnuts and interns. lol fat chance>>>>
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