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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 15:18 |
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Speaking to two reporters Thursday in Washington, Hastert would not confirm or deny the resignation reports. Asked if he plans to resign before his term ends, he said, "not at this time."
Kind of runs contrrary to the headline, doesn't it?
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 15:27 |
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Maybe so, but denial is always the response. You know that.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 21:11 |
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So is it your disagreement with his policies that caused you to label him as a fat, crappy loser? And if he is so worthless (believe me, I don't have much use for him either) why does his leaving office make him a quitter?
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 21:13 |
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Well, what's his legacy? The most bloated, lazy and corrupt House we've seen? The covering up of Mark Foley? Or will it be his alleged links to the Duke Cunningham craziness be exposed?
Well, leaving your job before your shift is up … well, you can figure it out.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 16:16 |
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I remember the first time I heard a Democrat trot out the term "Grand Old Pedophile" party. He congratulatd himself on how clever he was, although I suspect he got the term from somebody else, since I've heard it several times since then. Nothing wrong with that, I steal all my best material myself. But it's a little unfair.
Mark Foley should have resigned, and did. If he broke the law, he should be incarcerated. A position of favorability towards limited government does not preclude you from being a creepy scumbag.
But on the Democratic side of the fence you have Gerry Studds, who did the exact same thing and was doing it for almost 10 years with Tipp Oneil at the helm. The reaction was vastly different.
Washington Post columnist Colman McCarthy referred to Studds' affair with a teenage page as "a brief consenting homosexual relationship" and denounced Studds' detractors for engaging in a "witch-hunt" against gays: "New England witch trials belong to the past, or so it is thought. This summer on Cape Cod, the reputation of Rep. Gerry Studds was burned at the stake by a large number of his constituents determined to torch the congressman for his private life."
The 46-year-old Studds indignantly attacked those who criticized him for what he called a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults." Except the 'adult' in question was 17 when the relationship ended.
By the way, Gerry Studds was re-elected 5 more times.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 16:23 |
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But on the Democratic side of the fence you have Gerry Studds, who did the exact same thing and was doing it for almost 10 years with Tipp Oneil at the helm. The reaction was vastly different.
Because the Dems haven't made political careers by gay-bashing (and Foley was active in legislation against Internet predators). Gays are tolerated within the party. As well, Studds constituency wasn't concerned with his lifestyle.
It's the hypocrisy more than being gay, because there is nothing wrong with being gay, of course.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 16:56 |
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So is it your position that a gay man should be in FAVOR of internet predators?
Now, I'm not a Republican, but I do think what Ann Coulter said about this was pretty funny.
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If Republicans had decided to spy on Foley for sending overly friendly e-mails to pages, Democrats would have been screaming about a Republican witch-hunt against gays. But if they don't, they're enabling a sexual predator.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:00 |
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No, but he used the Internet to go after them.
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If Republicans had decided to spy on Foley for sending overly friendly e-mails to pages, Democrats would have been screaming about a Republican witch-hunt against gays. But if they don't, they're enabling a sexual predator.
That's actually incorrect: First, asking someone about their measurements and telling them how hot their ass is isn't just "overly friendly." And the GOP covered it up til the media got the story. Get your facts straight, esp. if you're quoting someone who's command of facts is … questionable.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:01 |
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Say who was that gay democrat that ran a gay prostitute business from his house and actually got a way with it? He's still in power. I just can't remember his name.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:05 |
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n 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted an escort service from Frank's apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie's activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.[1] Gobie disputes Frank's account.
The New York Times reported on July 20, 1990 that The House Ethics Committee recommended "that Representative Barney Frank receive a formal reprimand from the House for his relationship with a male prostitute."[2] Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed; instead the House voted 408-18 to reprimand him. This condemnation was not reflected in Frank's district, where he won re-election in 1990 with 66 percent of the vote, and has won by larger margins ever since.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:11 |
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May God have mercy on this nation. That's just crazy that he would get so many votes. 
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 17:26 |
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"The fact is, yes, the Republicans do think [homosexuality] should be a crime. And I think there’s a right to privacy. But the right to privacy should not be a right to hypocrisy ... people who want to demonize other people shouldn't then be able to go home and close the door, and do it themselves"
Barney Frank, 2007
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:18 |
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Define demonize.
To tell someone they are doing wrong, or to disagree with someone's behaviour is not demonizing or attacking. What you are doing is demonizing republicans.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:21 |
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Besides the political point at this time in society in regards to gay rights is not to make it illegal but to keep it out of schools as well as keeping marriage between one man and one woman. Keeping the status quo is the main priority of the conservative movement at this point.
Since I dared respond, should I expect the usual insults?
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:24 |
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de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ –verb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1. to turn into a demon or make demonlike.
Some quotes:
Rick Santorum
"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual (gay) sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."
James Dobson
"Homosexuals are not monogamous. They want to destroy the institution of marriage," Dobson said. "It will destroy marriage. It will destroy the Earth."
Jerry Falwell:
I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped [9/11] happen."
Just the quickies. I don't demonize Republicans, but you believe whatever you want.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 19:51 |
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No, but he used the Internet to go after them. Good point. Please don't be left with the impression that I defend anything Mark Foley did. I just think it's interesting that he's thrown out as if he's part of some sort of trend towards pedophilia amongst the GOP.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 19:54 |
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I just think it's interesting that he's thrown out as if he's part of some sort of trend towards pedophilia amongst the GOP.
It's not that they're pedophiles or gay; It's the hypocrisy: Craig, Foley, Haggard, et al, aren't vilified for being gay (Foley is something a little different); they are criticized for spending good chunks of their political careers speaking out against gays when they're secretly on the DL.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 19:59 |
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It's not that they're pedophiles or gay; Not to put words in your mouth, but I have to ask will the next thing you will be defending happen to be pedophiles? I told my democrat friend about a year ago that it will be the next thing down the line. He didn't believe me of course, but I'm betting on it.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:06 |
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I'll never defend a pedophile. I don't know anyone who would. Oh, wait …
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3753385&page=1
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:39 |
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Hey, I'm for Thompson or Huckabee.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 20:42 |
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Well, Thompson's kind of an empty suit (the perfect GOP candidate), but Huckabee has a decent shot in a general election, imo. He comes off as reasonable and decent, and he could swing some moderates.
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