i wanna see more of ol' kirk. maybe him and boner can get together to disprove gravity. i also wanna see the "banana" guy again. you just can't make that shit up! well tim, can you post some new footage?
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Quote: an 'ad hominem' argument
Grits ain't hominy enough?
Just to be nice to Tim today, I might go out and get some Kirk for ya Zod. __________________
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Here's the guy. Enjoy.
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Quote: zod, do you know what an 'ad hominen' arguement is?
yes, it's what religious people use when they defend their stances on religion, science, etc., etc., etc. no reason but lots of emotion. but i guess thats gotta count for something.
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From Zod
Quote: yes, it's what religious people use when they defend their stances on religion, science, etc., etc., etc. no reason but lots of emotion. but i guess thats gotta count for something
Which is itself an ad homininen known as "poisoning the well".
Atheism is not rational, it is based either on an assertion of "I don't believe in God" which deserves no further response than "I do" or an affirmation of the universal negative "there is no God" which no atheist seems able to present any evidence to support.
Neither statement is rational.
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Quote: "there is no God" which no atheist seems able to present any evidence to support.
Negatives can't be proven, which puts the burden of proof on you folks, which you won't which you can't for lack of any evidence to support it. Plenty of arguments and hearsay and doubletalk, but no evidence.
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Actually zod, although your definition of ad hominem is I think technically valid, the definition I was referring to is one in which you attack the individual instead of that individual's position. Pretty much exactly the way you dismissed me. __________________
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Pak, are you familiar with what is called a 'lazarus argument'? It's wierd how all these useless trivia from my debate team days keeps coming up in this post. __________________
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No sir, let me look it up.
There is mention in several spots of a James Lazarus, 'the infidel guy'. Is this who you are speaking of, or the biblical Lazarus or someone else? __________________
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Quote: creation is proof enough there is a creator
So Allah did put everything here?
Got it. Crystal clear.
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It's kind of funny, Pak. A lot of the terms and tactics I learned in my debate days had biblical names, but I was a heathen (or as it's pronounced in south Georgia, 'heathren') so I used the names without knowing what I was talking about. Anyway....
A 'Lazarus argument' is a reference to the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. The rich man's brothers had already had all the necessary evidence available to them to make an informed decision. at the root of their indecision was a decision. the decision not to believe. Once down that road, no amount of additional evidence, even someone rising from the dead, could convince them.
That's one of the reasons I try not to get pulled into these debates where I feel like I have to argue God's case for him. I deal with atheists all the time, and they are generally very pleasant people like yourself, but the Bible says that there is a spiritual blindness that no amount of intelligence or debate can remedy unless God himself intervenes.
A man looks around at the world and the impossible complex creation and he looks at the Bible and its prophecies and he looks at the witness of his own conscience and then he looks at the witness of hundreds and hundreds and thousands of lives changed forever by the gospel. He looks at all this and he expects God to put on some sort of magic show to prove himself. That man has begun a conversation with God by calling him a liar, and then expecting the conversation to continue.
Mind you, Pak, I am not attributing all of the above actions and attitudes to you specifically, I was annotating some patterns I've seen in the last decade in the ministry. But to whatever degree the shoe fits, feel free to wear it. __________________
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If it is important to God, he will make sure I come around, right? Until then, I don't believe in the mysticism I see throughout that book nor do I see any reason to.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
you just can't make that shit up! well tim, can you post some new footage?
no reason but lots of emotion. but i guess thats gotta count for something.
