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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:38 |
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Is killing right or wrong? Are you seriously confused by whether or not killing is wrong?
How does clusters of stars help in the dilemma of not having anything present to create a big bang with?
Say Captain America why don't you use your real name on this board. Just your first name. I find it insulting to one of my favorite comic book characters that a man with such openly communistic views would use America anywhere in his name.
Just for the record you had to try and push my button again. You started it first this time without any doubt.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:42 |
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How am I a communist? And I can guarantee Cap. would not be the ignorant, xenophobic, jingoistic myopic moron you would have him be.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:43 |
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I've never read cap to be an asshole that's for sure. He's always written as a character that respects others around him.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:50 |
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He also is respected, which you don't. And you never have. Again, you dish it, but can't take it.
Now, I've posted a few newsy bits and a few odds and ends. You've either ignored them or attacked me. You want respect? Let's deal with issues, or I shall taunt you a second time.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:54 |
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Let's get one thing straight pal. I own this board. This is my house, and you have about wore out your welcome. The only reason you appear to be on this board is too argue, and that's not what I created it for. Debating and discussion, and a little friendly disagreement sure, but this is rediculous.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:56 |
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Then let's talk issues.
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2007 22:59 |
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Great then after my workout.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 00:37 |
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Are you seriously confused by whether or not killing is wrong?
I'm not the least bit confused. Answer the question.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 01:34 |
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Sure it's wrong. Don't tell me you don't. And don't go back to whining about terrorists dying and murderers because self defense is not murder.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 08:50 |
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I said killing, not murder.
Calling killing wrong is subjective, dependant on the situation. Even though the bible says clearly 'Thou shalt not kill', a few loopholes are allowed here and there, aren't they? Depending on a point of view, one says capital punishment and the other says murder(vendetta even)-which one's right and which one's wrong? The guy getting the needle or the chair is dead either way, regardless of why he's there, popular opinion or what commandments say.
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don't go back to whining
All the crap you've given Cap about how he talks to you and you have the nerve to call me a whiner?
This is part of why anyone here calls you names-things like this warrant it. How you treat others is exactly how you deserve to be treated. Watch your own temper, dude.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 15:05 |
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You make it sound like I started the whole mess with CA.
I've told you in the past that "Thou shalt not kill" is correctly interpreted "Thou shalt not murder"
In fact if you read the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible that's what it says. To be precise the wording is. "You shall not murder."
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you have the nerve to call me a whiner? I didn't call you a whiner, I told you to not whine. There's a difference.
I would never say anything perverted or disgusting in an political attack against an idividual just because I don't agree with them.
I'm going to have to start raising the bar on the communication here on this site, I suppose. I'm afraid with all this anxiety and anger it's going to be too much for the average person especially any women. We don't have any women members you know, as far as I know.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 23 Oct 2007 18:31 |
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You make it sound like I started the whole mess with CA
You brought part, he brought part-immaterial who started it. I mentioned it because of what you posted to me:
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don't go back to whining
That's calling me a whiner, not telling me not to whine, neither or which is acceptible with what you've been reprimanding Cap with the last couple of days(not the content of the messages, but the action of them). That's hypocritical on your part especially if we add how much you've stated you wanted your freedom of speech respected. Unlike your local courthouse or your house(dwelling), this is a public place.
You want to discuss, not only politics, which are volatile enough all on their own, but lace these message you post constantly with ties to religious discussion, and not expect to hear things you won't like? Are you kidding?
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I've told you in the past that "Thou shalt not kill" is correctly interpreted "Thou shalt not murder"
In fact if you read the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible that's what it says. To be precise the wording is. "You shall not murder."
It is written as kill. How convenient to change the meaning, the language and even the text when your religious leaders feel like it. Written by men, edited by other men- the original must have been wrong, at least the 'interpretation'. Being conservative has apparent limits I wasn't aware of.
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Back to the original issue.
Any thing you want to describe as good or evil, right or wrong, is subjective just by how and why you place that label.
Is fire good or bad? To say it gives light and warmth or is a tool or weapon are factual statements-nonsubjective. A burn victim and a boy scout pack are going to give different versions of good and bad.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 18:48 |
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That's hypocritical on your part especially Look I've been upset with filthy nature of his comments of which I had to edit. The word whining is not a perverted comment. Can't we be somewhere in the middle here? I don't want to go overboard one way or the other you know. Can't have rules that nobody could possibly follow on a continual basis, at the same time I don't want perverted sexual disgusting things said, especially towards members of one's family.
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It is written as kill. This is something I've spent a little time researching. It is written, "Thou shalt not kill" in the king james version which of course is a translation of earlier manuscripts. The modern standard version, of which I used to be really skeptical of is supposed to be based on the original manuscripts only translated into a more modern language. Originally people in the Bible days didn't necessarily speak with thees and thous you know. The modern translation just puts the language into a more modern frame at least that's what they say.
If you actually would like to learn more about it then listen to this show.
The John Ankerberg show had a few programs that discussed the different modern translations and how they came to be by the people who were responsible for those bibles. http://www.johnankerberg.org/TV/ankjasrd.html
He still has part 5 and 6 up.
http://www.johnankerberg.org/radio/R9252007.asx
http://www.johnankerberg.org/radio/R9262007.asx
This translations issue has been a big deal to Christians. I'm currently of the mind the new king james version and the modern standard versions are acceptable at least for helping study the Bible in greater detail. I've always preferred the original King James version mainly because it's stood the test of time, and conservative old fashioned preachers like to use it, but the more I learn the less I'm inclined to be negative towards the newer versions. I certainly wouldn't judge anyone for not using the original King James version like a lot of my old fashioned independent minded fellow Christians might.
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Any thing you want to describe as good or evil, right or wrong, is subjective just by how and why you place that label.
Is fire good or bad? To say it gives light and warmth or is a tool or weapon are factual statements-nonsubjective. A burn victim and a boy scout pack are going to give different versions of good and bad.
Objects are not good or bad. It's how you use them. Just like guns aren't bad. You could use a gun to protect your family, or kill your neighbor. It's the person welding the gun you have to watch out for. Murder is sin just like a lot of other sinful things we disagree on.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 19:00 |
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I don't want perverted sexual disgusting things said, especially towards members of one's family.
Then don't make insinuations about other peoples' families. And if people representing "your side" start with the foul language, how about mousing them the same way?
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This translations issue has been a big deal to Christians.
Especially so some of them can find loopholes with death penalty, unprovoked war, killing of political prisoners, etc.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 19:13 |
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Then don't make insinuations about other peoples' families. What perverted insination did I make. Things you think I edited out don't count. They aren't there.
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Especially so some of them can find loopholes with death penalty, unprovoked war, killing of political prisoners, etc.
Look don't make statements of which you have no real knowledge. Unless you've taken the time to really study the bible then what credentials do you have to make some inflammatory statements?
It's like here we go again. Do you not see your statement as one that might do nothing more than create an argument. Not a debate, just an argument.
You'd think I would have a grasp on what the bible teaches since I've read it all my life. If all you had was "Thou shalt not kill" and did not have the benefit of modern language translation you would still have many many examples in the Bible of what was meant.
David a man said to be after God's own heart killed Goliath in self defense of his country with the blessings of God. In fact it was a miracle by God. So if self defense for instance was wrong. Then how could you explain that? By reading the bible over time, you get an understanding and a feel for what is meant by the text. A modern translation I think is probably just a good idea to clarify as long as it is from the original manuscripts and not just made up to suit modern sensibilities and political leanings. It has to be real and correctly translated.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 19:33 |
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Things you think I edited out don't count. They aren't there.
Cause you edited them out.
And I have studied the bible. Maybe not as much as you or preach, but I have studied it, read large parts of it. I've also studied the history around it. Again, don't presume you know shit about me.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 20:33 |
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You don't have to keep that chip on your shoulder the size of mount rushmore.
If you had studied it enough there wouldn't be no need for me to explain it to you. Not that it's a bad thing actually. I don't mind explaining it. I just wish you'd stop with the attitude already. This is a message board after all. It's not like we can back up words with any sort of action at all. To keep arguing on the net is fruitless. It proves nothing. To properly use this forum you need only backup your claims with facts not look for ways to create a riot.
See for one I'm used to facing my retractors face to face. You go to the ball park and someone talks bs all you got to do is play better than they do to shut them up. Talking bs here is an endless loop. No one can prove anything. I usually like to back up my words with actions which is impossible here.
So stick with working on your debate tactics and we'll get along a lot better.
It's weird just when I think your calming down you go all nutso again.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 20:38 |
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It's weird just when I think your calming down you go all nutso again.
Yeah, I went nutso.
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| Posted: 24 Oct 2007 21:24 |
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Yeah, you go all hyped up like one of those little mexican dogs on too much caffeine. Take a chill, dude.
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