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| Posted: 11 Aug 2011 18:16 |
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Well, accordng to those on the other side of the case to be sure. That's usually how it goes. No one thinks they are doing wrong, and sometimes a judge agrees with them, and sometimes not.
The point of groups like the ACLU is that they keep an eye out for what looks improper. Sometimes the judge knocks them down. Sometimes the judge says yes your right. But if they weren't looking you'd have a creep of authority either religous or areligous that could evnetually prevent you from believing as you wish.
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| Posted: 11 Aug 2011 21:10 |
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I think there's been lots and lots of cases over the years they've brought against Christians that should never have ever saw the light of day.
Stop and consider two things honestly here. Do you feel this way because you yourself are a Christian? When the stories were brought to your attention was it with the emphasis on just reporting the story or were they specifically called an attack on religion in each case?
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 15 Aug 2011 16:44 |
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Do you feel this way because you yourself are a Christian?
How many times do you see stories from the perspective of an atheist? A person's fundamental view of life will tend to give them a different perspective than another person with a different perspective. That doesn't necessarily mean that having a biased perspective is wrong. Depends on the facts of the case. Emotional bias that contradicts or overlooks facts can be harmful to one's clear perspective of an issue granted, but we all come with a particular bias. That's just being human.
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| Posted: 15 Aug 2011 23:38 |
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You seem to have a rough time answering direct questions at times Tim.
Not that you needed to answer me directly at all, or even that you owed me any answer at all, but essentially this was a 'yes' you couldn't bring yourself to state directly and further felt the need to justify it anyways.
Yes, we have biases and individual perspectives, but no, the facts of the case are dependent on facts and not biases or perspectives.
Your perspective here was that 'there's been lots and lots of cases over the years they've brought against Christians that should never have ever saw the light of day.' Now, that's your bias, and your perspective, and your opinion, and your prerogative to think this, but the facts of the case here are that every single case you referenced has had enough reason to see the light of day or they wouldn't have, and you would never have heard of them in the first place, because the Christian and/or conservative media wouldn't have had anything to stir you up emotionally with if there were no church or religious individual to portray as a victim in the process.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2011 16:41 |
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Every case that I remember hearing involving God being thrown out of the public by the ACLU, I've been on God's side. Is that direct enough for you?
The thing to remember is that the ACLU are the one's changing the status quo. Traditions that have been carried on for decades have been challenged by those bozos.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2011 17:25 |
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Every case that I remember hearing involving God being thrown out of the public by the ACLU
When nothing of the sort has ever happened. If you really believe in god and really believe they're all-powerful(or at the very least potent in any way), how on earth can lawyers throw them out of anywhere? Either you don't think much of that god, or your focus on what these lawyers has actually done is out of whack.
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The thing to remember is that the ACLU are the one's changing the status quo.
Bad laws and bad customs deserve to be addressed and changed when necessary. Just because something slipped under the radar for a length of time doesn't mean it deserves to stay.
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Traditions that have been carried on for decades have been challenged by those bozos.
Actually, they defend individual rights. Sometimes that involves challenging tradition. Sometimes that means upholding a tradition. Their focus is not on any traditions but the Constitution and the law.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2011 20:07 |
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how on earth can lawyers throw them out of anywhere? God holds country's liable for what they do. He also doesn't force his presence anywhere on anybody. For instance if a country says get out of school God, then He will. If the schools go to pot which they have then He's not to blame. We are for telling Him we no longer need His blessings.
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Just because something slipped under the radar for a length of time doesn't mean it deserves to stay. You mean like since the country was founded right because prayers and Bibles in public places have been there since then.
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Their focus is not on any traditions but the Constitution and the law. Their own version of it not the one that George Washington had anything to do with.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2011 21:14 |
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I asked how a lawyer could throw your version of god out of anywhere. I'll take your lack of an answer to mean 'they can't' which discounts your earlier claim that they do.
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You mean like since the country was founded...
I mean that just because something was done for a while and people got away with doing it doesn't mean they should have or that the event should continue.
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prayers and Bibles in public places
Nobody is stopping you. Really.
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Their own version of it
They only have one version to work with actually. THE law and THE Constitution; both have been amended numerous times since Washington died, but there is only one version of each.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 17 Aug 2011 11:45 |
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Their own version of it not the one that George Washington had anything to do with.
Just as a historical side note, did George Washington have anything to do with the Constitution?
I mean, he's not usually listed as a major framer, he might have been a representative at the Constitutional convention, but aside from serveing as President did he do much other than serve under it, and establish the broad authority of the Federal Government to enforce and collect Taxes during the Whiskey Rebellion?
Interestingly enough even then there was dispute about what powers the constitution actually granted everyone. And with the selection of such a strong leader as Washington.
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