But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 29 Nov 2010 16:55
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I guess there are liberal millionaires as well as conservative ones. Some people just love throwing away good money after bad.
Why not use that money to hire more people instead of offering to give it to the government?
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Not one person who signed could have possibly thought they were throwing away their money. They wouldn't have signed otherwise.
Just hiring people because you have money to do so doesn't make sense.
Every cent our politicians spend is either borrowed from the future or seized from the present; of course they're living paycheck to paycheck to future paycheck. That's the system itself and not the fault of those individuals. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 30 Nov 2010 18:42
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I don't think you are getting my point here. Just like a wise person watches their money, the government should even more so because they are using our money. Instead it's just the opposite because they aren't using their own money they spend it like it's going out of style.
So in essence it makes more sense for a private citizen to keep their money or use it a they see fit because it's bound to be used more wisely than the government.
Something else you said on another post about comparing healthcare to police and firetrucks. The government's primary role is just for those things. It always has been and should be. I as a private citizen have not the ability to run around addressing crime in my city or state, but the government can. Even if somebody robbed my own home, I would not have the facilities to deal with the crminal as the government can. I do have the ability to address my own health. I can exercise eat right, pick a local doctor, etc. Those are personal issues the government has no business in. __________________
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Most people don't know what to do with money whether it belongs to them or not. Having government representatives being more responsible, prudent or upstanding with dictating what happens to those funds they have some say in the fate of is not something anyone is going to argue against. Our representatives should be acting in our best interests instead of their own, or their party or their corporate sponsors that helped them get into the position in the first place or are helping keep them there. All good and all in agreement here.
Quote: it makes more sense for a private citizen to keep their money or use it a they see fit because it's bound to be used more wisely than the government.
Are you suggesting a person can opt out of things they'd rather not have their contribution used on? Sounds good. I don't have kids in school, so stop spending it there. I don't need the police, so stop spending it there. Those wars aren't helping me out at all so stop se3nding it there. Matter of fact, I don't use the government for anything or need any of their services and I have better plans than they do so there's no need whatsoever for me to pay any taxes at all. I like this plan. You let me know what's wrong with it.
Quote: I as a private citizen have not the ability to run around addressing crime in my city or state
So you can opt to move into a gated community with a security team or hire private detectives or have your town privatize the police department right?
Quote: I do have the ability to address my own health.
So imagine if you go out and jog one day and slip and break your hip. Are you doing your own surgery? How about cancer or Parkinson's; you handling those on your own either?
It's not that the government belongs there in the process, it's that a large enough group participating helps keep the costs low for everyone in a properly maintained system for the things you have no control over. (and no, insurance for all isn't the answer either) __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: I don't need the police, so stop spending it there.
If you don't need police it's because they are doing their job. We need police for more than just protection of our home. We need them to make it possible for banks and any other business keeping money to operate. The entire economy would fail for fear of robbery if not for the security offered by the law.
As far as kids in school, you may actually be on to something. Here's my idea. Why not charge a school tax for those with kids in public school instead of adding to the needs of the income tax?
Quote: It's not that the government belongs there in the process, it's that a large enough group participating helps keep the costs low for everyone in a properly maintained system for the things you have no control over.
You were right when you said it's not that the government belongs in the process. Cause they really don't.
And I guess I should say, I can see the government taking temporary measures here and there to help out healthcare costs but not taking control. My idea was to take all that wasted money and use it to school more doctors and nurses with the stipulation they open up offices in their area and work there for at least 10 years to pay back the money the government put in. Getting paid whatever they can make of course, just a way to get more doctors into the system to create more competition. A more natural market place way to solve the problem of higher healthcare bills.
Next make sure the parks have plenty for people to do. Keep nets on the b ball courts. Make indoor gyms. If people exercised we'd save billions in healthcare right there. Spend money on ads to let people know just how bad sugar is. Teach kids in school how bad cigarettes are. Get people involved in their own destiny, and stop trying to hand feed them by paying for any and all doctor visits. When something is completely free people will abuse it, going to the doctor for anything.
As far as huge medical bills people cant afford. Perhaps some kind of emergency savings fund for every citizen that the government can't access other than to utilize within the healthcare system for other emergencies. Something hopefully not too costly for the average citizen. I just do not want the government taking control of healthcare, but a helping hand from a distance is not a problem. A very long distance. __________________
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Quote: Why not charge a school tax for those with kids in public school instead of adding to the needs of the income tax?
Without everyone contributing the schools just won't make it. They're already having a hard enough time as is. I'm trying to imagine a system where the education is completely privatized so that only people who can afford it get their kids an education. That sounds like a doomed civilization as more and more of it falls into poverty and irreversible despair.
There is also the consideration that even if you don't have kids, you yourself benefit by the system and it's your responsibility to repay that system for use by others, if no other reason than to keep your community from atrophy and failure.
Quote: help out healthcare costs but not taking control.
Quote: school more doctors and nurses with the stipulation they open up offices in their area and work there for at least 10 years to pay back the money the government put in.
Both nice notions, and I'm fine with both except that they unfortunately contradict each other.
Quote: If people exercised we'd save billions in healthcare right there.
Are you suggesting that the government either spend countless tax dollars on advertising the suggestion of people getting more exercise or them actually forcing people to exercise more?
Quote: Spend money on ads to let people know just how bad sugar is. Teach kids in school how bad cigarettes are.
That answers my previous question and it brings 'Just Say No' to mind, alongside abstinence programs. Besides wasting the tax dollars, they never seemed to work.
Quote: When something is completely free people will abuse it, going to the doctor for anything.
1)There is no such thing as 'completely free'. Somebody somewhere is paying for every single thing the government does, including just having it exist. 2)Yes, people will find a way to try and game the system. Right now, they have the insurance system, and disability and Medicare and Social Security to game. With socialized medicine they get what? Free check-ups and medicine samples(which would be sugar pills for the frequent fliers and hypochondriacs)?
Quote: Perhaps some kind of emergency savings fund for every citizen that the government can't access other than to utilize within the healthcare system for other emergencies.
A fund of money held by the government that they can't touch? Like Social Security? That's a bad idea. They will find a way to dip into it. Those politicians will abuse it. That's all they seem to be good for lately.
I do not understand how you would have no problem with this new tax, which is exactly what it would be, which would wind up being a pyramid scheme just like SS and Medicare. Nevermind that the government would have to decide what was an emergency or not to dig into the funds for, which would essentially create those lovely death panels we'd been hearing about.
All this instead of just pooling our funds and spending it on hospitals and doctors everyone can visit when they need them?
Quote: I just do not want the government taking control of healthcare, but a helping hand from a distance is not a problem. A very long distance.
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But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: Are you suggesting that the government either spend countless tax dollars on advertising the suggestion of people getting more exercise or them actually forcing people to exercise more?
Ad programs not nothing that costly, and restart a lot of these PE programs that have been dropped from schools over the years. Lot of stuff that can be done to encourage people to work out.
I think the cigarette ads have had an impact.
Quote: I do not understand how you would have no problem with this new tax, which is exactly what it would be
Make it voluntary. If you dont' want to participate you don't have to.
Quote: Nevermind that the government would have to decide what was an emergency or not to dig into the funds for,
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Your ad programs would increase taxes for someone somehwere.
By cigarette ads, if you were referring to the warnings they just started adding to the sides of packs, you're talking about an imposed tax by the government on an entire industry. Not something Reagan would have supported.
You're also suggesting an emergency fund that anyone can tap in times of emergency, but only those who wish to participate have to? You could do that with your neighborhood or a group of friends on a social network; you don't need the government to run that.
If you're ok with this kind of system, what is the problem with having hospitals, doctors and care available to everyone who needs it where we all pool in for the greater good? I know it's socialism, but just because it falls under that heading doesn't make it evil or broken all by itself and if you need an example of of how state run hospitals actually look, go ahead and research as many Veteran's hospitals as you like. Ask a few veterans of what they think of those state run hospitals. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 08 Dec 2010 17:34
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I'm ok with anything that's voluntary. Not ok with the government mandating what is to be done in healthcare. Helping ok, making more rules and taking complete control of the free market system, no. __________________
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Quote: Not ok with the government mandating what is to be done in healthcare.
But you want them to take tax money and coerce people through ads to alter their behavior.
I'll be fair and say maybe you just meant billboards and TV ads with the advertising but you also seem to not mind companies which produce harmful products to be forced to pay for negative advertising about their product right on the product itself. Deserved or not, for a good cause or not, that's still coercion.
What I'm not seeing is a good reason to NOT have state run hospitals be an option if not the standard. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 09 Dec 2010 18:14
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Well yeah TV ads is what I prefer, or ads on my websites. for a fee of course
State run hospitals sounds better than Federal run hospitals. I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about state run hospitals. __________________
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Posted: 09 Dec 2010 23:16
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State run and federal run are the same in this case.
Consult a veteran you know personally an ask them about their veteran's hospital. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
for a fee of course
