Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 19:56
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I warned that there should be no place on earth where terrorists can rest and train and practice their deadly skills. I meant it. I said we would act with others if possible, and alone if necessary, to ensure that terrorists have no sanctuary anywhere! Tonight, we did. --President Ronald Reagan, April 18, 1986
Clearly, Bin Laden, Hussein and Clinton weren't listening that night. but Big George Bush and George W. Bush remembered this speech, and our intolerance of terror and oppression remains an important part of the Reagan legacy! Let those words never be forgotten!
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Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:15
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Clinton spent billions on anti-terrorism, made dozens of arrests and (famously) made several strikes (some on bad intel) against the Taliban and al Qaeda.
When he brought up al Qaeda, he was accused by Repubs and the media of wagging the dog.
When the Bush administration came into the White House, they retained the services of Richard Clarke, who had also worked under Bush I.
Many of the events Clarke recounted during the 9/11 hearings were also published in his memoir, Against All Enemies. Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and "testily" asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam Hussein was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying "Please update and resubmit".[3] After initially denying that such meeting and request between the President and Clarke took place, the White House later reversed its denial when others present backed Clarke's version of the events.[5]
As well, then-top cop John Ashcroft had established the Justice Department's top priorities as reducing gun violence and combating drug trafficking. It made no mention of counterterrorism.
Of course, in mid-August, the president (on vacation) was presented with the memo "bin Laden determined to strike U.S." and did nothing … just after a CIA briefer presents President Bush the later infamous PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US”(see August 6, 2001), Bush tells the briefer, “You’ve covered your ass, now.”
Your statement, GOPParty, is inaccuarte. The Bushies weren't worried about terror at all, though they were eyeballing Iraq for a war.
Read the 9/11 Commission report.
Seriously.
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Well, there you go again. __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:30
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I know, facts are hard for some, especially those afraid of actually doing some homework about subjects they profess to have interest in.
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Yeah, I'm kind of doubting your facts are exactly impartial. I think most folks like to use half truths to push their side.
Like this one
Quote: When he brought up al Qaeda, he was accused by Repubs and the media of wagging the dog.
Be hard to find an impartial source to back that up, but I'll bet some republicans more than likely did do it. I for one was very skeptical of the President. Every time he seemed to be getting into trouble with the monica thing or some other scandal somebody was getting blowed all to hell. Where were your peace loving feelings then? __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:45
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Facts are always impartial; that's why they're not called opinions. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:54
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I do like what he said there with 'The future does not belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave.'
Speaking of impartial do you have the Reagan video with Reagonomics and Star Wars included? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:56 Last Edited By: Tim
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Quote: Facts are always impartial; that's why they're not called opinions
Here we go again. Remember the mother-in-law story I gave you a while back.
It's easy to paint a picture with only half of a fact.
Here goes again came to me after my brother-in-law was sick.
A guy is in the hospital for surgery on his anniversary day. Afterwards he's given morphine constantly and sleeps all day.
Mother-in-law tells everyone the drug using bum slept all day on her daughter's anniversary. All of it true, but what a different picture it painted without all of the other facts. __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:57
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Quote: do you have the Reagan video with Reagonomics and Star Wars included?
Which one are you talking about? __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 20:59
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Right on, Pak.
Quote: Yeah, I'm kind of doubting your facts are exactly impartial. I think most folks like to use half truths to push their side.
That's why you should read the 9/11 commission report, instead of listening to that drug-addled car salesman, Limbaugh.
I honestly try to find facts and doublecheck the other side.
Another point you and I will disagree on: The biggest crime of the Monica scandal was the Repubs making it a criminal case. How is a blow job a crime? Unsavory? Certainly? Criminal? No.
Now, when Clinton went after the Taliban, I applauded the efforts: They had attacked the WTC before, the Khobar Towers and had been arming militias during the Blackhawk Down episode.
And GOPers certainly went after him for going after them.
LOOK IT UP.
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 21:02
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Quote: Which one are you talking about?
The one where he says it's necessary, but it turns our not to be, and we waste a ton of cash on military contractors.
The best part of his star wars thing was that the soviets were fooled. so, score one for the gipper.
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Most folks I hear tend to blame Clinton for the whole Blackhawk Down episode.
Couldn't Clinton at least not committed adultery in the white house disrespecting the office of the President and the people that voted for him? __________________
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Remembering Chris Rock here. I'll give Clinton credit for getting a hummer while doing his job at his desk. Monica under the desk, a slice of pizza in one hand and a phone in the other.
Billary in '08. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 28 Aug 2007 21:11
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Quote: Most folks I hear tend to blame Clinton for the whole Blackhawk Down episode.
Actually, when our boys were pinned down, UN forces were supposed to back them up, and they didn't. Clinton may have made a mistake by pulling out, but I ain't gonna say one way or the other. Like Ronnie in Lebanon, maybe something good would've come from him staying the course, but, like BHDown, prolly not.
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Quote: Haven't they heard we won the war?
What do they keep on fighting for?
Leningrad ~Billy Joel~
Nice quote, pak. I'm quite a fan of Billy myself.
But I don't see why Captain America gets on my back for condemning Clinton's sexual shenanigans, because let's be honest: Getting it on with every skirt in the White House was NOT WHAT WE WERE PAYING HIM FOR!
And he keeps claiming he got closer to killing Bin Laden then any Prez before him? So why is he still alive? Why were there embassy bombings in Africa? Or on the U.S.S. Cole? He most certainly did not have Osama on the run like Bush & the current administration does now. If he did, then 9/11 would never have happened! So since the bombings leading up to WTC were going on under his watch, I'd say his so-called "anti-terrorist operations" were nothing but a waste of our tax dollars.
Here's the why: Clinton & his administration were paying absolutely no attention to what Al-Qaeda was doing when Clinton was being held accountable for his domestic misconduct, which he committed at time that would've been much better spent on improving National Security! In other words, Slick Willie should've been chasing Osama at the time that he was not having sexual relations with that woman, or when he was denying what he did.
Some moron is out selling bumper stickers that say "No one died when Clinton lied". That, of course, is a half-truth. And if Reagan was mentally well at the time of 9/11, not eight months after the most dishonest president in history left office, he would readily speak the whole truth: 3,000 Americans died BECAUSE CLINTON LIED! For now, I rest my case.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2007 02:19
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Again, just read the 9/11 Commission Report. Seriously.
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Nice to not be subjected to cross-defamation for once!
If you don't like Rush Limbaugh, try someone more nonpartisan. I recommend Bill O'Reilly, founder and proprietor of The No-Spin Zone.
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Posted: 29 Aug 2007 02:42
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Quote: If you don't like Rush Limbaugh, try someone more nonpartisan. I recommend Bill O'Reilly
That's hilarious!
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Bill O'Reilly nonpartisan?
Remembering to be nice.
No he's not.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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It's funny super liberal minds don't like O'Reilly, but super conservative minds don't seem to like him either from what I've read from conservative message boards. Wouldn't that by definition put him somewhere in the middle? __________________
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If the left and the right don't like you, it just means you're unlikable. __________________
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Posted: 29 Aug 2007 19:40
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You might have the mistaken idea that if the lefties hate you the righties should love you. Being that neither side likes this guy doesn't put him somewhere in the middle, it means nobody likes him except the extremists that think just like him.
That clear it up? __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 29 Aug 2007 19:49
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That's one opinion.
Mine is he goes hard right, and hard left on various issues to appear down the middle. Sometimes this kind of reasoning works and sometimes it just falls flat and becomes too contradictory. Eventually it makes both sides hate you. __________________
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Posted: 29 Aug 2007 19:52
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The operative word there is appear. He's putting on a show, which a good number of people are falling for unfortunately.
He is not down the middle if he does everything to avoid the middle just for ratings. I told you before Tim. People love to watch a fight. __________________
But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
Posted: 29 Aug 2007 19:54
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Bill-O lies more than any politician … even Dubya and Willie …
and when does he go hard left?
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That's what I've read on conservative message boards. Remember there are lots of people so conservative that I don't understand them. Have you ever met a liberal so liberal you didn't get them?
I don't watch much of O'reilly just when nothing is on. I have a lot of dvds to watch besides. __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
Posted: 29 Aug 2007 20:41
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of course … that's why i'm wary of blanketing all conservos with one descriptor.
but Big George Bush and George W. Bush remembered this speech, and our intolerance of terror and oppression remains an important part of the Reagan legacy! 
Let those words never be forgotten!
