I realize it's a bit early to talk about this, but as long as the democrats want to pretend it's already 2008, maybe we should look back, because when it all comes down, our president did a pretty good job given his circumstances!
1. Two outlaw regimes toppled, a more democratic world.
2. Department of Homeland Security & The Patriot Act, a safer country.
3. The "No Child Left Behind" programs
4. A restructured Supreme Court (2 new justices & The end of judcial tyrrany)
5. An economy as strong as back in the 80's
6. The advancement of faith-based groups
7. MOST IMPORTANT: (removing the black eye Clinton left us with!) The restoration of American Pride.
When it all comes down, that's what history will remember about George W. Bush. He ignored childish popular opinion polls and did, what he felt at heart, was right for the country. Why liberals will never grasp that principle, I just don't know.
Thank you, President Bush!
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I voted for 'W' twice, and in the last seven years he has done pretty much 2 things I agree with. I agree with the tax cuts, and I agree with most of the war on terror. I could go into all the things I disagree with, but that would be a much longer list. __________________
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Wow, this post is just too weird for words...
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I can't stop....
Quote: 1. Two outlaw regimes toppled, a more democratic world.
2. Department of Homeland Security & The Patriot Act, a safer country.
3. The "No Child Left Behind" programs
4. A restructured Supreme Court (2 new justices & The end of judcial tyrrany)
5. An economy as strong as back in the 80's
6. The advancement of faith-based groups
7. MOST IMPORTANT: (removing the black eye Clinton left us with!) The restoration of American Pride.
hahahahahahahahahaha
you must be high...
hahahahahahahahaha
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Quote: The "No Child Left Behind" programs
i voted for "W" this one i don't agree with, to tired to bring up a point.............. __________________
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So my liberal friends again you turn to the use of mocking instead of addressing the points made. Anybody can be a smart alec. It takes a little more thought to address the points being made. Show some respect. __________________
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Posted: 29 Sep 2007 19:45
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Well, Tim, if you look back through the posts made by Danny, pak and myself, you'll see many of these points addressed. And in far better fashion and detail, I might add, than any of the posts he's ever made.
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That doesn't take away the fact a high school mentality back lash does not a point make. "ha ha ha " is fine for aggrating someone, but it does not take away from the points GOParty made. I just want to point that out because we live in a time where a sitcom mentality over rules facts and discussion. I'm not against humor mind you, I love adding humor to a discussion but always with a point if possible.
I mean the guy makes a post and you libs attack with nothing but mockery. Nothing at all in substance. Tit for tat as they say. __________________
Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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Quote: I just want to point that out because we live in a time where a sitcom mentality over rules facts and discussion.
Yeah, and GOParty was the sitcom writer. Again, our refutations to the "points" he "made" in this "post" are embedded throughout the site. GOParty can go through and find them and address. He chose not to: He came here and spat an ignorant rant and cruised.
That he even got replies speaks more to the general politeness of everyone than it does to his BS.
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You can't assume everyone has the time to read all of our posts. You do know there are going to be some that come in once a month, and hopefully a lot of brand new people over time. You can't just brush people off and expect the site to grow.
Just be polite and happy.
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Quote: So my liberal friends again you turn to the use of mocking instead of addressing the points made. Anybody can be a smart alec. It takes a little more thought to address the points being made. Show some respect.
I just couldn't find the right TV clip from the 50's to express myself with. That's the mature dodge, right? If you don't think it's ok to mock, remember to stop yourself the next time you're about to do it yourself, Tim.
In order:
1)A more democratic world? Bull.
2)I'll give you credit for Homeland security, but as a response to Bush blunders, not to his credit. As for the Patriot Act and a more secure nation, see the answer to #1. The Patriot act stripped you of your civil liberties and we are anything but more secure.
3)The NCLB program was well intentioned and an absolute failure.
4)The end of judicial tyrrany? C'mon....
5)The economy as compared to Reaganomics is hardly a positive and our economy is worse now than when Clinton built it up. We got our big tax breaks because of the surplus and then the remaining surplus vanished....courtesy of an oil man who couldn't find oil.
6)The advancement of faith based groups..... NOT the president's job and not at the expense of life improving medicine and science. Another great testament to the seperation of church and state. Amen.
7)People having to buy flags to look like patriots to their neighbors is not pride.
Instead of legacy, maybe you meant aftermath?
Is that enough substance Tim? Have this met with your approval? __________________
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I didn't mean aftermath, I meant LEGACY!
+It IS a more democratic world, now that both Iraq and Afghanistan have held free elections that is an undeniable fact.
+Homeland Security is a good advancement, and the Patriot Act is designed to make sure our security agencies are cooperating, not competing. A time of National crisis is no time for a turf fight!
+No Child Left Behind is not failing, it will take time to get everything working, though I have no doubt you'll give credit to whatever democrat starts making a name for him/herself when it comes to fruition, anything to deny Bush the credit!
+The biggest tyrant on the court was Rehnquist, and when Bush managed to get more reasonable men appointed, Judicial tyranny was pretty much buried with the late Chief Justice. I've heard nothing about the sacriligeous "imminent domain" idea since Roberts & Alito took their seats, which is a definite victory for individual rights. I only regret losing Justice O'Connor because of her husband's illness.
+Stop giving Bill Clinton credit for everything! Reagan's economic policies made America prosperous again, and he bears no blame for the recession. That was from Hussein seizing all the oil! But that's another debate. Clinton may have made the economy boom again, but the average American citizen saw almost none of the prosperity from Bill's policies, not the way they did with Ron's!
+Science & medicine are progressing, just not at the expense of human life.
+People don't buy flags to impress their neighbors, it's the clearest sign in a time of crisis that America stands united!
And obviously you ought to try flying a flag instead of burning it! Think about it, it'll be a nice change of pace for you!
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Now I'm a flag burner...I was supposed to be more civil and mature exactly why?
Their elections are not really a signoff on a more democratic world, but go ahead and keep that if you like.
I'll agree with homeland security-we have no argument there that this is a good thing, just why we now have it.
NCLB is a train wreck-wake up.(and I give Bush plenty of credit for it)
Judicial tyrrany is some fantasy I have never heard mentioned anywhere but by you.
Stop giving Clinton credit, but he did make the economy boom. You just arguing with yourself or what? You know masturbation is a private activity right?
The drug industry is progressing, not necessarily science and medicine; this is of course debatable. What's not up for debate is the prez using his religious views to stand in the way of stem cell research and then telling us we need to be protected from minotaurs and the like because he can't be forthcoming and say it isn't compatible with his faith. Meanwhile, people will have to continue to wait for whatever fruit that research may provide.
Everyone who buys a flag is a patriot, on fantasy island.
Reality would be a nice change of pace for you. __________________
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I don't mock as much as I kid around. Mocking is what jocks do in high school. Ganging up on a guy like you all did wasn't cool. When there's more than one guy attacking someone's comments it's time to get down to substance otherwise it turns into a message board mob. Just the way I saw it at the time.
I certainly don't want to make anybody think we can't kid around. I get tired of being serious all the time myself.
Quote: Reality would be a nice change of pace for you.
I thought you guys that all truth was relative. So wouldn't reality be relative. Like if I see a world of pink purple spotted elephants that's my truth, and your truth can be a world where there is no God, pak and we all sprang from monkeys that fell out of trees all originated by an explosion from pre-existing materials.
Ok it might sound mocking, but there is substance there if you pay attention, and it's humorous. __________________
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Oh dear! Someone called another person's post irrational! The fabric of society is unraveling before our very eyes!
Tim. Please.
I can't speak for others but I didn't answer thi stuff because it has already been posted elsewhere a million times. GOParty WAS engaged in some debates about the Bush administration, particularly Iraq, that had generated actual discussion and the citing of bi-partisan sources, but then he vanished.
I had entertained the idea that he was plowing through the 9/11 Commission Report and no longer had time for weird rants about Bush's mythological successes- but I was wrong.
So sorry if I didn't respond, but I don't have all day either. And why waste time attempting to change people's minds who START with an irrational argument?
Now, back to work....
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No. __________________
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Well, hopefully I wasn't ganging up on him. He cited several successes that I think are not totally valid. But I say that as someone who voted for Bush twice. I'm not a Bush hater, I am just profoundly disappointed in the last 3 years.
Now if it would be more appropriate, I can address his list point by point.... __________________
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John Bonifaz testimony, Conyers hearing on Iraq war, September 15th, 2006.
If you listen to the last minute of his presentation, there you will find Bush's legacy-it's even better almost a year after that presentation. __________________
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pretty funny stuff GOParty. you were kidding right? ...right?!?...RIGHT??
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Quote: Well, hopefully I wasn't ganging up on him.
No, I don't think you were. I was referring more to our liberal friends.
I just want to say that the problem we have in this nation is the tendency for folks to automatically go into mock mode right off the bat when they disagree. I don't mind so much when it's down the topic a ways, or if it's done to make a point, but stuff that is basically to the level of "your dumb, that's stupid" is not very thought provoking.
In other words address the points, and if you do it with humor can you not do something better than that.
I just think it's a cop out. Like in high school someone wants to look cool they try to put someone else down to make themselves look better. In sitcoms they try to discredit conservative values with stupid jokes and so forth. I like kidding around, but sometimes you can go overboard. __________________
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Just make it good natured as possible that's all I'm saying. I felt like I needed to say something. I hate to let a fellow conservative take all the heat without sticking up for him, and none of you liberal dudes, actually said anything back to him of any substance. __________________
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Danny makes well-researched and thought-out points all the time. pak has posted plenty of vids, and I have made plenty of posts that address most of these.
GOParty is a straight-up moron, and if he doesn't want to do his homework, f*ck him. I don't have time to play his BS game.
This whole thing is getting tedious, frankly.
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Quote: none of you liberal dudes, actually said anything back to him of any substance.
I answered every point you made Tim. __________________
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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Quote: I answered every point you made Tim.
Yeah, but they're liberal points, which, in Tim's eyes, mean they lack substance. btw, you post more than vids, I didn't mean to shortchange you, if it came off that way.
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Well, I'm out of ideas.
Laugh In and Hee Haw didn't know we were getting this level of criminal in the oval office, therefore I can't post their skits and bits about it.
Quote: I didn't mean to shortchange you, if it came off that way.
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First of I'm not a liberal i just happen to oppose no child left behind, i voted for Bush....I've witnessed here in Michigan that great plan for childrens education it's not impressive, other than that i'm for blowing up bad guys and protecting this country and no one else's __________________
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Quote: i'm for blowing up bad guys
works for me. __________________
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I thought 'Thou shalt not kill' worked for you?
Selective worship? __________________
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Quote: I thought 'Thou shalt not kill' worked for you?
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Quote: I thought 'Thou shalt not kill' worked for you?
Right, but the bad guys don't always listen so you have to teach them the hard way.
I swear if I followed your logic it would be like saying, since I don't believe in pigging out I should not eat anything, or because I love animals I can't kill rattlesnakes or sharks. Oh wait a lot of libs do believe that about animals don't they? You find hypocrisy in logical thinking, and create for yourselves massive amounts of hypocrisy in the progress. __________________
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i'm telling you the MOAB will solve all our problems
That's the mature dodge, right? If you don't think it's ok to mock, remember to stop yourself the next time you're about to do it yourself, Tim.
you were kidding right?
...right?!?
...RIGHT??