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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 07:50 |
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i thought you guys were talking about another kinda "pie eating."
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 10:13 |
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hey booger, you think that if you weren't in iraq that the war would be brought here? first off, you're not fighting an "army." you seem to think that if america pulled out of iraq, there'd be al qaeda bomber planes on their way over the next day. your enemy is amorphous. that means shapeless, vague and ill-organized. having neither definite form nor structure. there is no "army" that is gonna come and invade. if your so-called "intelligence community" does it's job, you won't have anything to worry about. this war on terror needs to be fought with old fashioned police work. gathering info, sharing it, investigating leads, a reliable airport security system. these guys shouldn't even get near the country. and again, if your intelligence agencies are doing their job, they won't. even if they do, for them to organize, amass weapons (and we're not talking regular everyday guns here) for them to pull off some big attack would take numerous resources and time, something they won't have...unless your agencies let you down. so quit believing that bullshit that GWBush keeps telling you. there is no army thats gonna invade if you pull out of iraq. they're not gonna "follow you home." people like you just believe anything. i can almost here you "Baaaaing" like a little sheep. here's a little quote i heard. "The true axis of evil in America is the genius of our marketing combined with the stupidity of our people."
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 15:37 |
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Zod your assumption seems to be that there is no terrorist activity whatsoever in Iraq. The fact is the terrorists are having to use resources in Iraq like manpower, weapons, etc. Things they can't use at two places at once. We've drawn their fire so to speak. Surely you have some understanding of military strategy.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 16:36 |
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The fact is the terrorists are having to use resources in Iraq like manpower, weapons, etc. Things they can't use at two places at once. We've drawn their fire so to speak. Surely you have some understanding of military strategy.
Now this just kills me. If I were an emoticon sort of guy- I'd have to go with one that repeatedly shakes its head and laughs at the irony.
Tim, what credentials could you possibly have regarding counter-insurgency warfare?
The number one thing that sucks about being bogged down in Iraq is that we CAN'T still move our force producers. THEY can still move theirs. Besides, what resources do they need? Last time they used 3$ boxcutters and our planes. Other than that, they really broke the bank on an exploding shoe.
And Zod, don't presume to know what American soldiers need to be thinking about their mission. If you want to question the motives or intelligence of American politicians, be my guest. But leave American military personnel out of it. Booger's online antics get on my nerves too, but if he is serving in Iraq, has served in Iraq or will again serve in Iraq than he is doing a tough job and deserves the proper respect for such, regardless of what anyone thinks about the policies that put him there.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 19:06 |
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Tim, what credentials could you possibly have regarding counter-insurgency warfare?
I wasn't aware you had credentials in this area yourself.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 20:04 |
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Yep.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 20:44 |
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danny,i have no idea what you're referring to. i never even mentioned american soldiers and what they "need to be thinking about their mission." i was talking about the intelligence agencies. like the FBI, CIA and the NSA. i'm talking about sharing info with other agencies in other countries. like working with the agencies in the UK or Israel. not sure where you got the idea i was telling soldiers how to soldier. and tim, i do have a sense of military strategy. and your countries strategy is flawed. you guys always think blowing the shit out of the place in question is the way to go. well it's not. not in this case. you want proof. look at how the war is going. you guys aren't winning. and you're not gonna. that's because, as i said, you're not fighting some army. you are fighting this war on terror the wrong way.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 22:21 |
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you are fighting this war on terror the wrong way. I'm sorry should we give them flowers, and beg them to not shoot at us. Maybe if we offer them some drugs they'll calm down. Perhaps some riddlin.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 22:24 |
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good point.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 22:45 |
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Uh, Danny could you expand on, yep?
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 23:00 |
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Zod,
I took this statement literally:
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hey booger, you think that if you weren't in iraq that the war would be brought here?
As in, I thought you were telling Booger that his efforts were futile or misguided if he has served in Iraq.
If that wasn't the case, then I apologize.
As you know, this is a touchy issue for people in the US, with good reason. Plenty of people who were involved or are involved in the Iraq situation directly have a very conflicted view on it. Some don't. It is complicated.
Look at it this way: I don't see how we just leave and I'm a civilian who has always been against the war. People in countries like yours and mine have a wide range of options on how they can view this rather complex subject, ranging from simple to complex.
But for those who have served there, Iraq has another level of complications- a personal one. These people didn't start the thing, but it is their job to go fight it.
For some of them, "leaving" is not as simple as people often say.
For some of them, sacrifices are inevitably re-evaluated at that point; everything from friends who died, to Iraqis who died, to time spent away from family. A lot of people have bled for this war. Every expereince there will be different. So I feel at least obligated to explain why there's a difference between telling off someone who just supports the idea of the war and someone who was there.
(Assuming Booger was. I don't know for sure what he does.)
So like I said- if I misread your opinion and called you out unfairly- my apologies.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 23:21 |
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no worries danny boy. is it okay if i call you danny boy? you know, like the old irish(?) song.
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 23:46 |
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No problem. I'm not even vaguely Irish, but I do like the song.
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 00:48 |
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I see mention of 'terrorists' in Iraq.
Who are they at this point?
Really. Who?
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 16:57 |
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I see mention of 'terrorists' in Iraq.
Who are they at this point?
Really. Who? There the ones planting the bombs in the streets, and shooting at our troops.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 06 Oct 2007 23:30 |
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I think we need to make more of a distinction between terrorists and military and civilians.
One size label does not fit all.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 09 Oct 2007 20:38 |
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this was last week,i was really fired up and abrassive,im trying to round my edges alittle.
"they" brought it here first!the cheap box cutters and our planes werent used on us by an "army" it was the terrorists.they tried to blow up the twin towers from the basement first,it didnt work but was a good learning attempt for them.they dont have to follow me home,their already here!have been for years.they cross our mexico boarder daily,even with the weak attempt at the boarder guard missions(what a joke!!)(different story)it does seem that blowing the shit out of people does work,japan called it quits after we bombed them!
after seeing what war does to children,right or wrong i dont want it to be fought on our home land,cant think Zod would want it on canadian soil either,not that im speaking for you zod,i still think your an idiot.just my opinion,and everone has them,just like assholes!
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| Posted: 09 Oct 2007 23:46 |
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So, if I am reading that right...
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There the ones planting the bombs in the streets, and shooting at our troops.
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they cross our mexico boarder daily
all those people are terrorists?
You guys want to think that through a little better?
Take a moment.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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