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Posted:  04 Aug 2009 14:06
Posted by cdk007.


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Evolution is a FACT when describing WHAT happened and a THEORY when describing HOW things happened.

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Posted:  04 Aug 2009 17:57
Evolution is a theory period. There's just never been any evidence to support it as fact. Most of the so-called evidence depends on evolution existing as a fact to begin with.
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Posted:  07 Aug 2009 12:26
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There's just never been any evidence to support it as fact

That's not true. IMMENSELY not true. It's been one of the hottest and most contested topics in science since it's introduction and it's still standing. Thousands and thousands of peer reviewed articles have tackled the subject in support as (brace yourself)...evidence.

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Most of the so-called evidence depends on evolution existing as a fact to begin with.

What you might be meaning with this completely escapes me-clarify?
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Posted:  07 Aug 2009 19:26
I'm referring to millions of years stuff scientists lean on to support evolution. Since evolution takes millions of years they base their dating methods to some degree on that assumption. That's how mt st. helen volcano rocks turned out to be thousands of years old in 20 years.
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Posted:  08 Aug 2009 13:11
Not everything takes millions of years- many things only take a generation or two to see observable data that fully supports evolution theory.

Different dating methods produce different results. While not being absolutely perfect in every case, science takes into account every incident to refine the process to getting it better consistantly. I'm not aware of someone dating Mt St Helen rocks incorrectly but I'll bet the only reason you're aware of it(if it's actually true)is because of scientific process and progress.

Just a reminder also: the theory of evolution that we have now may in fact be completely wrong and we'll discover it as soon as better methods and/or evidence presents itself. Until that time however, this is what we have to explain the natural phenomenon of all the varied species on the planet and nobody has *anything* remotely better to explain this-if you think you do, please present it to society and collect your many rewards. Actual science ignores the supernatural in explaining the natural-please learn to cope with this.
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Posted:  09 Aug 2009 21:23
Bear in mind, Tim. Some people's thought processes (not yours, pakrat) do throw an(insignificant) bit of doubt on the INTELLIGENT DESIGN theory!

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Posted:  09 Nov 2009 23:41
It is entirely possible that within the last ten seconds the entire universe came into being, all that we believe to be our past is a simple trick of existence.

It is likewise possible that the story in Genisis true as written, and that all we see to refute it is merely the efforts of God to hide his truth and chalenge our faith.

It is likewise possible that the universe as we see it did not follow the same laws of physics at some point earlier in it's history than it does now, and that perhaps gravity was stronger or weaker, or other fundamental forces behaved differntly and all our assumptions about the universe based on our current models of physics are off by a factor of the changes in these forces.

All these things are possible, however none of them are observeable.

What is observable is the universe as we see it today, and the laws of physics as we know them today.  That is the only thing in evidence, as such any theories we put forth for testing must be tested by those laws.  By those laws, the universe began billions of years ago, the earth took millions of years to form, and life took Hundreds of thousands of years to create a species called man from a species descended of apes.

Now, based on what we can observe, and prove this evidence is correct.  we can see the fossil record showing the changes in species, and we can see on a genetic level the process of natural selection taking place in the present.  We can extrapolate from these two provable real observations what the origin of the species is, but this does require an ordered universe and a set of physical laws that we observe today.

It could still have all sprung fully formed from the head of Zeus ten seconds ago, and could just as easily be whiped away ten seconds from now.  But that is all conjecture.  Theory and proof however require more paramaters, and in that Evolution as a scientific theory has been proven to the extent that things can be proven, as in beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now you can like the catholic church say that evolution is likely the method God used to create man, or you can say that man is the result of unguided mutation and natural selection.  Those are unprovable philosophical statements, just like the universe springing fully formed from the head of Zeus.  They have nothing to do with what is meant when one says Evolution has been proven.