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| Posted: 25 Sep 2007 06:42 |
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With a warrant...
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 25 Sep 2007 13:57 |
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The old system that was in place was enough. Remember, there were FBI and CIA agents who had been connecting the dots on the 9/11 hijackers. However, the structure was such that these people weren't able to share info with one another. As well, you had a Justice Department and an administration that were not interested (if not antagonistic) to fighting terror.
As far as tapping, most judges had proven willing to defer to the police, feds, etc. if there was evidence. It seems like the right way to do it, to have a reasonably neutral party weigh the facts and sign off. And the process didn't take long, as some patriot act zealots will have you believe.
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| Posted: 25 Sep 2007 15:40 |
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I have to admit, a big chunk of my disenchantment with the administration came when I watched them shuffle and dodge and weave around the FISA court issue. If we believe at all in the rule of law, and there actually is a procedure to obtain wiretapping warrants, and you do not follow it, that may very well be an impeachable offense. You may claim all you want that the process is too slow, and it may very well be, but that slowness helps prevent abuses (theoretically) and as long as that is actually the law, you (as the executive branch) are bound to follow that.
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| Posted: 25 Sep 2007 15:53 |
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As well, I thought the creation of the DHS wasn't all that great. Inter-agency communication needed to be improved, but creating an entire new cabinet and the ensuing bureaucracy didn't seem like a great plan. I really was against putting FEMA under it, and it seemed then (as it did during Katrina) that it was gut it and marginalize it.
But a handful of contractors made a lot of money, so, yea!
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 17:24 |
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By ignoring reports he was supposed to read in order to play golf:
About 90 people on United 93.
More than a handful at the Pentagon.
Over 3,000 around ground zero at the world trade center.
Interesting that you would assign the blame to him rather than the ones who actually did the killing.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 17:26 |
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I don't blame Bush for the attacks, but his administration ignored numerous warning signs and showed no interest in combating terrorism until mid-afternoon Sept. 11, 2001. That's facts.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 17:51 |
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I don't blame Bush for the attacks, but his administration ignored numerous warning signs and showed no interest in combating terrorism until mid-afternoon Sept. 11, 2001. That's facts.
You are regrettably correct, but we as acountry had that mindset way before "w" came into office.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 21:48 |
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How long was he even in office by Sep 11 though?
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 21:56 |
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Nine months.
But in August 2006.
The CIA sent a memo to President George W. Bush, vacationing then as now in Crawford, Texas, with the heading “Bin Laden determined to Strike in U.S.” Panicked CIA analysts flew to Texas to brief Bush personally in 2001, “to intrude on his vacation with face-to-face alerts.” Bush sized them up, as is his wont, looking to judge the content of what they told him by the confidence with which the message was delivered. Bush wasn’t convinced. “All right,” said the president, “You’ve covered your ass now.”
From Newsweek … They ignored Richard Clarke, the FBI, the CIA and the Clinton administration. I don't blame them. Even if they had acted, they might no have been able to stop it. But they ignored warnings.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:00 |
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Where did you get the first part? Doesn't sound like Bush speak.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:02 |
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“All right,” said the president, “You’ve covered your ass now.”
I think even Mr. Childrens Do Learn can get that line out without mangling the english language.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:04 |
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I'm getting tired, this is like a marathon argument.
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I think even Mr. Childrens Do Learn can get that line out without mangling the english language.
Ha ha ha ha ha
Did I mention ha ha.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:09 |
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Now, this is funny.
NEW YORK, Sept. 26 -- As a candidate, George W. Bush once asked, "Is our children learning?"
Now he has an answer.
"Childrens do learn," he said Wednesday.
The setting was, yes, an education event where the president was taking credit for rising test scores and promoting congressional renewal of his signature education law. To create the right image, the White House summoned the city's chancellor of schools, a principal, some teachers and about 20 eager students from P.S. 76.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:16 |
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Ok, I can't argue about the President's brilliant communication abilities. It's funny, maybe he's just trying to give us all a laugh.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:21 |
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Yeah … er uh, no. He just can't talk right. I mean, I laugh and all …
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| Posted: 28 Sep 2007 22:33 |
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Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
__________________Lucas McCain the Rifleman: A man doesn't run from a fight, Mark...but that doesn't mean you should go running *to* one, either.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2007 01:42 |
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Yes, preacher man, I blame him.
__________________But the backdrops peel and the sets give way and the cast get eaten by the play, there's a murderer at the matinee, there are dead men in the aisles
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