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| Posted: 25 Nov 2008 22:06 |
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I'm a little wary of how you might be using the term 'related' here, but we are actually related to all living things.
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| Posted: 25 Nov 2008 23:01 |
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Like new age philosophy? Kind of native american of you ain't it?
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2008 13:52 |
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It's not philosophy. It's not folklore. It's not mystical or magical in any capacity. Biology 101. Every animal, including human animals branch off the same 'tree'.
Believe it or don't. Reality can't be voted on. Whether you do or do not believe, that is what science points to and until we have better, more or different or simply better information, techniques, technology or experimentation, that's how it stays.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2008 17:35 |
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And you know this personally because you've spent years in college studying science and doing your own experiments, or are you taking upon faith what evolutionists are telling you?
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| Posted: 26 Nov 2008 20:25 |
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Faith, noun: firm belief in something for which there is no proof
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Evolutionists is a nonexistant group. I believe in the theory of gravity and I would not have someone call me a gravitist or whatever silly term idiots use to create divisiveness, like evolutionist or Darwinist.
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We have proof in science of evolution. You'd see it if you only looked. Faith is actually counterintuitive here since we have a bounty of proof. Long college years are equally unnecessary to read up on the subject or at the very least watch a handful of videos to get a layman's grasp of it. Ignoring facts doesn't change them or make them go away either.
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And the patrons and the actors too are uncertain if the show is through and with sidelong looks await their cue, but the frozen mask just smiles
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2008 00:57 |
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We have proof in science of evolution. So you helped them find this proof did you?
All the scientists in the world can't make up for the fact you can't get a living organism out of a big bang.
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So you helped them find this proof did you?
Grow up.
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you can't get a living organism out of a big bang.
The big bang wasn't an explosion, and has nothing to do with evolution.
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2008 17:41 |
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First you had a big explosion that came out of nowhere then you got this little one cell that came out of nowhere that eventually had kids and boom you got a whole world full of plants, animals, atmosphere, and the sun and earth just happen to be the exact distance from each other to provide warmth without burning us to crisp ,and on and on. It just ain't believable. If there is one thing I know and that's science fiction and evolution is science fiction. I ought to know I been reading sci-fi all my life.
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First you had a big explosion
Nope- The 'Big Bang' describes an expansion, not an explosion. It wasn't out of nowhere, and they're still working on exactly where the singularity came from. Sorry if it's not figured out to your satisfaction yet.
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one cell that came out of nowhere that eventually had kids
Abiogenesis involved numerous singular cells, not all life starting from one magic cell.
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the sun and earth just happen to be the exact distance from each other...
We're definitely lucky. The exact odds you're looking for to explain how things are is 1:1 though-it happened.
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It just ain't believable.
Neither is what's offered in the Bible, yet you believe this, and that is entirely your right to do so. Comparing evidence for both though, science wins hands down.
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| Posted: 27 Nov 2008 20:30 Last Edited By: Tim |
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numerous singular cells Okay but where did those numerous cells come from?
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The 'Big Bang' describes an expansion, not an explosion. Expansion of what. Can't have an expansion of absolutely nothing.
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We're definitely lucky. Not a big believer in luck. Computers never form out of luck. Cars never pop into existence out of luck.
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Neither is what's offered in the Bible, yet you believe this, and that is entirely your right to do so. Comparing evidence for both though, science wins hands down.
I notice you talk more about there being evidence than actually presenting any evidence. Creation itself is evidence of a designer. There's too much logic and order in it to be accidental. To say there is no designer of the universe is crazier than saying there is no designer for the keyboard I'm typing on.
Happy Thanksgiving pak hope you had a giant turkey.
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Okay but where did those numerous cells come from?
Great question. Look here if you really want the answer as I'm ill equipped to answer this one.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/
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Expansion of what.
The material that made up our universe inside the singularity.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE441.html
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Computers never form out of luck. Cars never pop into existence out of luck.
Try and keep to one conversation at a time. You were talking odds of our perfect situation here. That was what I responded to, not things magically occurring, like a deity poofing something out of thin air on a whim.
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I notice you talk more about there being evidence than actually presenting any evidence.
I post vids, quote articles and make statements. Not my fault you ignore them. Unless you wanted me to create a galaxy myself or make creatures evolve where you can see the process with the naked eye, I'm not sure what more evidence I'm supposed to provide.
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Creation itself is evidence of a designer.
No, it's really not.
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There's too much logic and order in it to be accidental.
Ignoring how much chaos and disorder there really is in nature and cosmology, you're back at discussing odds again. 1:1, we made it.
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To say there is no designer of the universe is crazier than saying there is no designer for the keyboard I'm typing on.
There may be a designer, there may be several. You might be the loony one for believing you know it was only one, you know which one, and you know how.
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Happy Thanksgiving pak hope you had a giant turkey.
Have a happy day yourself also. I have turkey almost every time I visit here. Today's not special for that.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2008 00:44 |
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I'm too full of Thanksgiving cheer to argue with you today. Maybe I'll thinks of something tomorrow. Although I will be busy shopping a little bit and going to the gym for the first part of the day.
Thought of a question though. Don't it seem kind of weird to never feel like you can ask God for help with stuff? Seems like just a natural thing to do especially when things get rough.
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Seems like just a natural thing to do especially when things get rough.
When it seems you have nobody to turn to for help, you learn to rely on yourself, after double checking your speed dial. As a conservative you can surely appreciate 'pulling yourself up by the bootstraps'? Even for you I would say another old chestnut to the same effect; 'God helps those who help themselves'.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2008 00:53 |
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I believe in relying on God vs the government and I do believe God blesses those that work hard. He also gives us the strength to work. The very air we breathe is a gift from God.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2008 14:04 |
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To each their own.
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